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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2013, 10:01:10 am »
Todd,

During the Epic gathering in Tahoe, the person you referred to conducted a 3 day seminar for those interested in improving skills. A friend who was in the clinic improved, greatly, over the 3 days. I skied with him the day prior to the class and could not believe how much he improved on the last day. I heard similar stories from another who took the clinic.

Regardless of school of technique, I will argue that the skill of an instructor to find the single largest improvement movements, and, how to communicate with the pupil to make the changes is of critical importance. Returning my golf analogy, a new coach has the option of working with the existing swing, or, breaking it down and starting anew. Even though my ski thinking may conflict with his teachings, I would pay to take the same clinic if I had the chance to do it over again. Feedback from a great set of eyes is precious. Yeah, maybe I'd translate some of what he told me into another system, but, I'd respect what he told me, and, see if it helped. In the same sense, if I skied again with Epic or Josh, and they were kind enough to offer some thoughts, I'm all ears.

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2013, 07:10:18 pm »
Yeah, maybe I'd translate some of what he told me into another system, but, I'd respect what he told me, and, see if it helped. In the same sense, if I skied again with Epic or Josh, and they were kind enough to offer some thoughts, I'm all ears.

Yep, you have to put everything in your filter. I got some feedback today that I am working on assimilating right now.

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2013, 10:49:53 pm »
The only gear we were discussing was how much the Vist plates made Lynn's feet hurt. It was agony, and we had/have no idea why?

I don't think it was the plate.  Those were Vist skis, weren't they?  I'm going to guess at what happened, though I'm backing into this, and didn't watch her on them to see what was doing it.  Things to consider:

1) Most of the people I've met who ski Vist ski fast and, from what I hear, the skis respond well to speed.
2) Sport Thoma wants us to like the demos they send, and they seem to always hit the skis with a good tune and high fluoro wax before sending them to us.

You know how, when you get a day when the mountain is shiny for your first day on skis for the season, your skis run like crazy, your stupid primate feet try to grasp for traction, and your skiing sucks all day?  Well, maybe not, but mine does..  I end up with the bottoms of my feet screaming at me when that happens.  I'm wondering if the combination of the high fluoro and stiffer ski that wanted to go faster than she typically skis landed Lynn in a similar predicament.


It's funny that you should use the foragonal example, epic.  That movement pattern has been the bane of my existence lately, and I swear I'd be a season further in my skiing if I'd never heard anybody say "dive down the hill", "project your body down the fall line", or any of the other ways people say it.  I'm not into the politics so much, but I'm getting increasingly selective of whose advice I take.  It's not that people aren't well-intended or far better skiers than I am; it's more that I choose my coaches based on who I want to ski like, and there seem to be plenty of approaches out there that aren't compatible at all.  I hate having to train out movement patterns I had to put a lot of energy into training in.

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2013, 04:44:56 am »
Todd,

During the Epic gathering in Tahoe, the person you referred to conducted a 3 day seminar for those interested in improving skills. A friend who was in the clinic improved, greatly, over the 3 days. I skied with him the day prior to the class and could not believe how much he improved on the last day. I heard similar stories from another who took the clinic.

Regardless of school of technique, I will argue that the skill of an instructor to find the single largest improvement movements, and, how to communicate with the pupil to make the changes is of critical importance. Returning my golf analogy, a new coach has the option of working with the existing swing, or, breaking it down and starting anew. Even though my ski thinking may conflict with his teachings, I would pay to take the same clinic if I had the chance to do it over again. Feedback from a great set of eyes is precious. Yeah, maybe I'd translate some of what he told me into another system, but, I'd respect what he told me, and, see if it helped. In the same sense, if I skied again with Epic or Josh, and they were kind enough to offer some thoughts, I'm all ears.


LP, your post has real wisdom and honesty in it, and it gets right at the heart of the damage all these online technique battles and viral marketing campaigns have really done.   

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2013, 04:45:16 am »
It's funny that you should use the foragonal example, epic.  That movement pattern has been the bane of my existence lately, and I swear I'd be a season further in my skiing if I'd never heard anybody say "dive down the hill", "project your body down the fall line", or any of the other ways people say it.  I'm not into the politics so much, but I'm getting increasingly selective of whose advice I take.  It's not that people aren't well-intended or far better skiers than I am; it's more that I choose my coaches based on who I want to ski like, and there seem to be plenty of approaches out there that aren't compatible at all.  I hate having to train out movement patterns I had to put a lot of energy into training in.

I agree Dan. It's frustrating when you ski with with people who tell you to ski foreagonal and either you see that they are not doing what they think they are doing, or you see how that move is blocking them. It would be like if you were skiing with a guy who kept telling you not to use any rotary while he was clearly ding it himself. Take what works and leave the rest (but in the moment, keep your eye open and try it anyway).

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2013, 07:47:39 pm »
It would be like if you were skiing with a guy who kept telling you not to use any rotary while he was clearly ding it himself. Take what works and leave the rest (but in the moment, keep your eye open and try it anyway).

Agreed.  There was a conversation at the Northeast PMTS shindig 2 years ago on that topic that you probably would've enjoyed.  As we all probably know, HH/PMTS says that you don't need to teach rotary, because people do too much of it naturally, and it'll be there on the (presumably rare for PMTSers) occasions they need it.  Well, we had amazing conditions at MRG the Saturday of the event, and we skied a lot of bumps.  Glen (PMTS coach & bootfitter) was there helping us out with drills and stuff, and led us all through a couple drills focused on twisting skis.  He has a competition style approach to bumps, and a remark along the lines of "you guys need to learn how to twist your darned skis" to a group of PMTS people **** me up.  Internet arguments aside, I think we all had fun with it and laughed at ourselves plenty..  :D

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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2013, 08:53:21 pm »
Sounds like a great quick fix, epic!  It's nice to be aware of options like that, especially when dealing with casual skiers.

Huh.  I stand corrected.  I didn't know you guys spent time on that stuff.

I'm not saying that all this equipment setup is irrelevant or anything--it just seems that people spend an inordinate amount
Maybe it's just what people talk about on the internet.  I don't remember Lynn or Jim talking about gear at all while skiing with them!


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Jim was joking.
When you all start talking delta/ramp/ BOF/CRS etc, my eyes glaze over. :-[

Jim is my tech adviser.
He suggests, I say "sure".
When he asks how this or that felt as compared to before, I am often at a loss to feel any difference.
Must be my fore/aft is lacking. :o
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Re: Fore Aft Balance and how to get there.
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2013, 09:13:40 pm »
Naw.  It means your feet are dead and nerves deprived of blood and warmth because of the High Performance foam liners.
The sensation of PAIN wipes out all other sensations!!

Your boyfriend ought to get you a pair of Zipfits, but he's afraid that then he wouldn't be able to keep up with you.  ;)
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