A message from "Betty"

[jim-ratliff]

To:       The Citizens of the United States of America
From:    Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of your United States and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately (as will likely be necessary, you can look up the word 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary).

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and ....

Her Sovereign Majesty suggests that you look to your neighbors to the north for guidance in how to appropriately behave as Royal Subjects, eh?

[LivingProof]

Hmmm

The Beatles lyric called it right:

Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl, but, she doesn't have a lot to say!

[bushwacka]

dude really I know 100 percent of you are voting for the National party since everyone is to scared about the more evil of the lesser of 2 evils getting voted in. Viva la statist!

Honestly the founding fathers were willing to be hanged to stand up for their rights, and now everyone is so scared that either the left sock puppet or the right sock puppet may win that they have to VOTE Against them.

anyone IMO who is voting for OBamaney is unamerican and uneducated. Both choices are bad for this country. both support a police state, both support corporatism, both support the failed war on drugs, both support drone killing, both will not make same sex marriage a constitutional right, both support BIGGER government.

Vote against statism. If your Libertatain vote for Gary Johnson. If your progressive vote Jill Stein, if your Moderate vote Rocky Anderson.

I am seriously worried that people older than me really think that either Obama or Romney has an answer. If you voting for either of those guys I want 10 reason why your voting for them, not 10 reason for not voting for the other guy.

[midwif]

Hmm, to moderate or not?
That is the question.
Does anyone here feel unamerican or uneducated by bush's statement?
If so, let a mod know.
But, at this moment, free speech reigns.
Until I, her majesty of this forum, ( for now, until deposed or have my head cut off)
deems it deletable.

 

[ToddW]

I feel unamerican since I've haven't been able to exercise my constitutional right to late-October skiing this year.  If Betty can roll back global warming, restore electrical power, and supply gasoline, then I'll bow before her.  Josh's post has nothing to do with my patriotic feelings or my educational inadequacies.

[bushwacka]

freedom of speech is determinded by a controlled media and doesnt actually exist.

when they arrested Jill Stein they didnt even report it since it would actually give her press.

[jim-ratliff]

Bush:
i really wasn't trying to create a political conversation, only sharing something I found quite humorous.

However ..... I think it is way too simple to lay the problems at the feet of others such as political parties or the media.  Is that the really the problem? 

General Eisenhower, in his final Presidential speech said, effectively, "beware the military industrial complex!"  As a nation we didn't heed his warning.
President Kennedy, in an emotionally convincing speech, implored us to "ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country!"  But we have continued down a path of thinking that the government can solve all of our problems, leading to ever growing government.
I used to laugh when reading accounts of Roman Senators hiring men to drive wagons through the streets throwing bread to the people to buy their votes ---- until I realized that the practice still exists, but we do it with "pork".
In general, people don't vote for the best candidate, they vote on their particular 'hot button'.  As a result, to get elected you have to 'not say' the right things -- and then get scourged for waffling or not being totally honest.
Is the problem with "them" or are we getting the government we ask for? What leads us to believe that voting for an independent (like Ron Paul) that can't get elected is part of a solution?

So let's get back to the really important stuff, skiing and biking.

[bushwacka]

why can nt a third party get elected?

Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is exactly the reason why we only have evils to choose from in the first place.

Its going to take alot of Wolfs in a crowd full of sheeple to make it happen. I see myself has a herding dog trying to convince sheeple my views. Alot of people will claim that they post political post to "open" up discussion. Honestly I am not trying to open up discussion I am trying to stop statism from taking over this country. The National Party has becomes far to powerful and is anti liberty.  the problem is people are scared of the more evil of 2 evils in their books so they vote against it.






I actually disagree with alot of Jill Stein and some of Rocky Anderson's policies but would rather they get votes vs "the national party"



and honestly I am man of science. God does not exist. God is a creation of man to control other men. I am not discussing whether or not religion is a good thing. But the scientific fact that god does not exist. faith in something thats not there does not prove existence. If I start believing money grows on tree or that I can fly and have all the faith in the world about it I should be put away in a mental asylum. It hard to have logical conservation when people in this country still believe in a greater being.

[jim-ratliff]

LOL.  Nice response Bush.
Of course, some would say that you are still a man of faith, but that your god is man and his ability to understand the world (aka science).

For others, Midwif moderated out part of my post, and Bush is responding to that deleted part.

[midwif]

I guess there's a reason there's a saying one should avoid both politics and religion as
subjects of conversation at parties.

Since politics is on the plate, let's not make it toxic by mixing in religion
(bush, don't get all semantic on me)

Agnostically yours
L.

[jim-ratliff]

As you wish,  Buttercup!   

[HighAngles]

I have long been frustrated by our "two party" system.  Until campaign finance laws are fixed we're stuck with a situation where voting for any "3rd party" candidates is effectively throwing away your vote.

And since we're on the topic of the election I'll bring up my biggest beef with our system; the electoral college.  Luckily I live in a "swing" state so my vote "counts", but if I were living in a state that is already pretty much "given up" to being either Democrat or Republican then I would be really pissed off right now.  The electoral college should be removed by Constitutional amendment and a simple majority vote should prevail.  How do you feel when all the votes from your state's electoral college go to one candidate or the other based on the majority vote in your state?

[bushwacka]

Highangles

If Gary Johnson gets 5 percent of the vote he(or the 2016 Libertarian nominee) will be on equal footing. That the real goal here. The way to fix this is to vote for him. The more people that try the better chance we have each time of sticking it to the National Party.

Libertarians actually want to end the electoral college.

I do want to point out that Gary Johnson is a Darwinist atheist. That right there in my book means he has to be more logical about moral/science issues than anyone else.

[LivingProof]

The electoral college should be removed by Constitutional amendment and a simple majority vote should prevail.  How do you feel when all the votes from your state's electoral college go to one candidate or the other based on the majority vote in your state?

I concur that the electoral college has been antiquated by modern technology and should be replaced by popular vote.

On all other things political and religious in nature, LP sniffs bait and swims away. I am so tired of hype this election season brings.

[ToddW]

..., but if I were living in a state that is already pretty much "given up" to being either Democrat or Republican then I would be really pissed off right now.

As a New Yorker for 26 year now, I've been in that situation for a while.  It's not too bad because dear Uncle Sam asks us to send him quarterly love letters and a big one on April 15 to make sure we know he still cares about us even if not about our vote.  He's a very caring and attentive uncle.  If we forget to send a letter, he sends people to "check up" on us.