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Svend

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2012, 07:26:13 am »
Jim, not feeling guilty, just annoyed with myself for making poorly-informed and too-hasty choices for my last two boots.  Those should have been keepers, but ended up (or soon to end up) being ditched after only a season or two.  The Lange Comp Pro had irreconcilable alignment problems that would have cost too much for a bootfitter's fix to make it worthwhile -- better to buy a new pair.  And the Tecnicas, well I told the story already -- too soft.

Josh, what you say makes perfect sense.  I have not ruled out the Krypton by any means, and I am still intrigued by my last try-on of those a couple of years ago -- the lack of pressure points, all-enveloping fit, smooth flex.  Very nice.  I need to try the shell again, as they have made some changes to the fit as of last year (C4 concept, whatever that means) and I don't know if they will still work for me.  That, and I really need to self-assess my skiing style and needs to see if a boot of that type would suit where and how I ski.  For your skiing, I could definitely see those as being an excellent match.  Your insight into these boots has been very helpful and informative, and will be a great aid in making my final choice.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 10:18:07 am »
I have yet to see it in person on rhe EC and the only person I have ever seen is Reilly and its not to say that his off piste skiing would improve with out the stiff race boot.


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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 12:28:34 pm »



It's rather interesting that, ever since Svend started the threads on boots, I get mostly ski boot ads on the Google AdSense section at the top.  I guess, as the youngsters would say, that on this forum ski boots are trending.


Hmmm, I don't remember what the ads were when the topic was Bushwacka.   8)
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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 09:48:52 pm »
The outcome of your trial is really interesting, esp. that you were able to overpower the stiffest tongue on that boot.  I don't know your specs, but I am 6'2" and 220 lbs in my boxers, so that boot will likely not cut it for me either.  Not sure how that translates to the stiffness of the Krypton Pro with the stiffest tongue and spine widgets in place, but if I find a pair to try, I'll certainly see if they are substantial enough for me.

IIRC, The Krypton can be setup much stiffer than the Flexon/Full Tilt even with the #10 tongue.  The secret with the Krypton is the rear spine wedge.  The stiffest tongue combined with the rear spine wedge in the stiffest position should be a fairly stiff forward flexing boot (maybe equal to a typical 120-130 flex 2-piece).  However, I think there's more to it than just having a stiff forward flex.  If there wasn't more to it you wouldn't hear about how there are real skiing differences between similarly stiff flexing boots.

When I said I was able to easily overpower the Flexon with the ZipFit I was specifically referring to how the extra support from the ZipFit (plastic collar and tongue) allowed me to completely collapse the boots' forward flex to the point of my knees practically getting down to my skis.  With an Intuition liner you just don't have that much support, so you don't get that much leverage over the front of the boot.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 09:53:59 pm »
lastly zipfits are a cold heavy liner.  not well suited to what I do at all.

ZipFits are definitely heavier than Intuition (or Dalbello I.D.) liners, but they're not heavier than typical stock liners and they're sometimes lighter.

ZipFit added a shearling wool toe box lining that really helps with the toe warmth.  I go along with the theory that boot warmth is mostly a function of fit that doesn't block circulation.  If you have a boot that fits you well you should have less issues with getting cold feet.  Of course on some really cold days you'll still need enough insulation and on those days I use boot gloves.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2012, 10:00:50 pm »
And yet plenty of expert skiers rip all over the mountain, including absorbing huge moguls, wearing stiff race boots.

Patrick Deneen, olympic mogul skier, uses World Cup stiff Lange boots.  He's known as a mogul turns specialist and regularly wins the speed portion of mogul duels.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2012, 05:38:37 am »
You do not think him skiing in a lange has anything to do with him being sponsored by dynstar/lange? Most pros do not ski on what they want, they ski on what people will pay them to ski on.

and also again Pro mogul skiing is flat out skiing for less than a minute at time. I am sure stiffer boot could be better for that, but when it comes to skiing woods/bumps for 8 hours a day that it would tend to be a preformance inhibitor.

but really the real reason why someone who is a pro skis on something is due to money.


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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2012, 05:52:52 am »
and just go done with PM chat with a kearney who won the olympic gold medalist in 2010.

She said if money was no object she would be in Kryptons/full tils over her tecnicas hey just do not pay enough. I do not know how to contact Patrick since I have never me him but I bet that his answer would be the same. If osmeone wants to the ground work on that one....



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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2012, 05:51:14 am »
A lot of the freestyle kids who are in the same program Hannah came out of are now getting two sets of boots.  They get a modified plug boot for the mogul stuff with a purpose-specific lateral alignment and then a separate boot for the slopestyle.  My understanding is that the full tilt and such is very popular for the slopestyle end of things, but doesn't work as well for the bumps themselves.  I'd imagine one modified like Josh's would be better in the bumps than the stock model, though.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2012, 06:15:23 pm »
I think the Dan Boisevert may ski in a Dobie 130 and I believe Max skied in that boot prior to moving on up.

Whoops--I missed this earlier.  I'm currently in the Raptor 130 RD, but have been looking at the Dobie 150 (amongst others) for an impending upgrade.  My 130's do okay when it's really cold and I buckle them to just shy of tourniquet tightness, but any warmer or looser than that, and there's more of a delay than I'd like in their response, mostly in the fore-aft.  I like to be able to bend the ski right away when I pull my feet back, and having to push through the squish of the boot before the ski bends has become my latest pet peeve.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2012, 08:35:13 pm »
Dan, that is one of the first things that Gary commented on when he switched from the Raptor to Lange RX last season.  He said that the Langes had much more snow feel, direct connection to the ski, and were more responsive.  Maybe he can pipe in here and elaborate more.


IIRC, The Krypton can be setup much stiffer than the Flexon/Full Tilt even with the #10 tongue.  The secret with the Krypton is the rear spine wedge.  The stiffest tongue combined with the rear spine wedge in the stiffest position should be a fairly stiff forward flexing boot (maybe equal to a typical 120-130 flex 2-piece).  However, I think there's more to it than just having a stiff forward flex.  If there wasn't more to it you wouldn't hear about how there are real skiing differences between similarly stiff flexing boots.

I think you're right.  These boots have some very devoted fans, and there must be something unique in their feel and performance.  As for stiffness, Josh said he has his cranked up to the equivalent of 160 flex(?), presumably using the spine widgets.  I'm wondering if making the spine stiffer would improve the rebound of the boot, the same way the spine works in a 2-piece shell.  I should be able to find a Krypton this week and try it side-by-side with a good 130 2-piece boot.  Lou's shop (boot guy on Epic) is here in Calgary and he carries the Krypton line.  Time for a visit.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2012, 07:18:48 am »
yeah 2 wedges in the back make the boots pretty much solid as a rock. I tend to run for normal skiing at about 140 though.

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2012, 02:11:56 pm »
Josh, do the wedges improve the rebound of the boots -- ie. help recenter and provide support -- or does that all come from the tongues in the Krypton?

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 06:52:11 am »
Svend the boot basically does not move with 2 wedges in the back....so there really is no rebound.

From Everything the Instructors Never Told You About Mogul Skiing by Dan DiPiro

Page 79

A good bump-skiing boot is just a little less stiff than most top-of-the-line racing boots.
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I don't recommend boots that are more flexible or soft than second-tier racing boots. Skiing too soft a boot in the moguls is like driving a car with a cushy, soft supsension - say, a big, old Cadillac - through a tight autocross course: you just won't get the responsiveness you need.

 :D

Max you should know that before I skied I was a quite successful Auto-X,time trailer, and road racer. You must know that right?

The thing is with Auto-X the cars are actually set up softer than a road race car.  I had nearly identical 1990 honda Civics one setup for Auto-x and one set up for NASA Honda Challenge road racing and the suspensions setting that I got after many many days of testing were this.

Auto X -                   

550 front spring rates
500 rear spring rate

11 mm front sway bar
24 mm rear sway bar.

5 degree front camber
2 degree rear camber

.5 toe out in the front
2.0 toe out in the rear

Road Racing

500 front spring rate
800 rear spring rate

20mm front sway bar
30mm rear sway bar

3 degree front camber
1 degree rear camber

0 degree front toe
-1.0 rear toe

both set up were counter balanced and played a crucial roll in making my 1990 Street Modified Civic the faster FWD car at nationals 2 years in a row. Including at least a dozen FTDs(fastest times of the day) at regional and local events something that most people never do.




and for rally-X racing the car would have stock intgegra spring on it


the point is you use different suspension and tires for different things in autoracing, why would you do the same in skiing?

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Re: Krypton Pro boots
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2012, 06:59:40 am »
From Everything the Instructors Never Told You About Mogul Skiing by Dan DiPiro

Page 79

A good bump-skiing boot is just a little less stiff than most top-of-the-line racing boots.
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I don't recommend boots that are more flexible or soft than second-tier racing boots. Skiing too soft a boot in the moguls is like driving a car with a cushy, soft supsension - say, a big, old Cadillac - through a tight autocross course: you just won't get the responsiveness you need.

Nice quote grab.  I have that book and totally forgot this was in there.

I have to admit, skiing my Raptors off-piste and in moguls is taking some time to adjust to.  It's not the boot's fault, it's mine.  It's about adjusting/improving my skills so that I'm bringing the same good movements everywhere on the mountain, not just on the groomers.  I've skied with GaryH at LL quite a few times and he's in 150 Dobies.  He has no problem skiing the whole mountain in those boots.  Of course you also have Geoffda, JBotti, Max, HH, Diana, etc. all skiing at the highest level with the same stiff boots all over the mountain.

I'm not quite sure why I stuck to the idea of using different boots for different skiing for so long.  I actually think the "gear ****" in me was affecting my judgement.  Of course that doesn't mean I won't keep looking for boots that provide the performance and fit of my Raptors, but are easier to get into and out of.