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Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« on: December 21, 2011, 05:59:57 pm »
I finally got on these skis today. We got 8-10 inches last night and today. I skied the IM 78's this morning and then I took out the Chariots in the afternoon. Much of the mountain is not open (not enough snow) so I was skiing 8-10 over groomed except in some areas where they opened some off piste terrain. By the time I got on the Chariots it was all chop and some powder still left off piste. My first run was into some broken pow off piste. In spots it was 2 feet+ deep and there was a ton of chop as well. I kept waiting for the skis to buck like Dawgcatching said in his review said. This never happened and they were pretty smooth, and very easy to go fast on as well. Quite stable but nothing close to being too stiff. On the chop on top of groomed the skis just rocked. Especially versus the IM 78's. The 4 extra inches in length I'm sure helps and I was skiing the I'm 78's center and they ski chop better back 1.5cm (but I was too lazy to move them this morning). But it felt like work on the IM 78's skiing the chop as I always felt a little too far forward. The chariots just ate up the chop and in tight GS turns (15m radius). Amazingly easy to ski and there was a little hero quality to them as I was going way faster than I normally ski and I felt in total control. The ski is very stable. In more minor bump type terrain where it needed tighter slalom like turns the skis tipped easy and a brushed slalom turn was really easy and I never felt bucked by the skis going over bumps (nothing was huge as we haven't had enough snow or enough skiers). I later did several laps downn the front side skiing some fresh or barely chopped over groomed and some chop and some places were it was chop mixed with the man made boiler plate. The skis did everything well. I am not sure about the tune. I think it comes 1.5 side from the factory and I think 2 or 3 on the side will be better. I never felt like I could go full bore on tightening the turn radius and cranking tight edge lock turns but the conditions didn't help either because you had fresh on top of boiler plate. The few sections of steeper pow like conditions I was in were easy to ski and I think the ski will be very nice in pow. If we got 2 feet tonight and they opened the ridge (forgetting about all the rocks) I would grab this before the Shamans. Thinner under foot, easier to turn and tip, just as stable but never felt too stiff as the Shamans do at times and just as much float at least in this type of snow. Later in the season I will take them out side by side with the shammies, but right now this ski looks like a winner.

I was on the skis about 2:30 and I really enjoyed them and they felt almost perfect for the day we were having.

It is also important to realize that I have been skiing the Shamans forward almost 1cm because I switched boots after I mounted them. They ski pow fine up there but chop over groomed at speed is not that much fun because the balance point is too far forward. I am remounting them with Railflex demo bindings so that I can dial in the right spot on these. Having said all this, I think the chariots are easier to ski and I love the tighter turn radius. As well the Shamans would have been overkill today at 110mm underfoot (a little too wide and a little too stiff) and the chariots felt pretty much perfect (at least today).

I kept looking for the flaw that Dawgcatching highlighted in his review and I kept skiing chop at speed to see if I could get tossed. It was actually the opposite for me and I think this is a great chop ski rivaling the old IM 88 (which IMO is the best chop ski ever made).

More after I ski them some more.

« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 07:00:28 am by jim-ratliff »


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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 08:10:24 pm »

John,
Jim has been looking forward to your review.

Not that he needed validation, mind you . :D

Glad to hear that first tracks are a positive review.

I am hoping to be able to give my new Isis SkiLogiks a serious workout to evaluate their performance in the near future.
Colorado was hard snow country last week.
 Between the low snow and new boot-liners, I shied away from
skiing the somewhat stiffer Isis skis.
And I loved my Progressor 8's!!
(review to follow soon)

Let us know how you feel about the Chariots further down the mountain.

L.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 08:16:08 pm »
Didn't dog review the RL's (I assume your on the TT's...or am I wrong on both counts)?

I know Peter's crew loved the TT's but found the RL's over stiff.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 08:24:57 pm »
Yes, I am on the TT's and they are different skis than the RL's. My assumption however has been that they wouldn't play with the flex too much between the TT and the RL. Assuming this I was worried when I read Dawgs review. Flex on the TT's is right on. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 09:23:00 pm »
JBotti:
Glad you liked them. I was most curious whether the longer ski would be as versatile as the 178 that I have.
Precision Ski in Frisco was recommended to Lynn by someone at Harb Ski Systems and also does all the Ski Logik prep for the skis they take to the SIA shows. (and one of the guys there has a pair of "demo" Ullr's Chariots that is his favorite ski). Anyway, their recommendation is a .7 base bevel and a 2 degree edge.  They feel that it's ok to go less than 1 degree base bevel because of the width of the ski, so you wind up with an edge that is very close to the normal 1 and 3 but just a bit quicker.
I doubt I can feel the difference, so just sharing the information, but I do like the idea of getting the same net edge while taking off less material.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 06:51:50 am by jim-ratliff »
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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 09:32:30 pm »
Yes, I am on the TT's and they are different skis than the RL's. My assumption however has been that they wouldn't play with the flex too much between the TT and the RL. Assuming this I was worried when I read Dawgs review. Flex on the TT's is right on.
They didn't change the running surface flex of the RL, but they dramatically shortened the rear twin tip and added that length to the front to create the RL front; and my understanding is that this part of the ski is overly stiff and that is what throws the ski around in chop.  On groomed slopes you don't feel any difference, but on crud and chop the stiff early rise tip begins to make occasional contact with the piles of snow and throw the skis around.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 09:42:10 pm »
John. Give some serious thought to remounting with Power Rails instead of the older Railflex. Easier and broader adjustment, same drill template as the Railflex.
Heck, Lynn can now easily move her bindings between the Progressor 8's and the Ski Logiks at will, something that she couldn't readily do with RailFlex.
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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 10:07:49 pm »
JBotti:
Glad you liked them. I was most curious whether the longer ski would be as versatile as the 178 that I have.
Precision Ski in Frisco was recommended to Lynn by someone at Harb Ski Systems and also does all the Ski Logik prep for the skis they take to the SIA shows. (and one of the guys there has a pair of "demo" Ullr's Chariots that is his favorite ski. Anyway, their recommendation is a .7 base bevel and a 2 degree edge.  They feel that it's ok to go less than 1 degree base bevel because of the width if the ski, so you wind up with an edge that is very close to the normal 1 and 3 but just a bit quicker.
I doubt I can feel the difference, so just sharing the information, but like the idea of getting the same net edge while taking off less material.

.7 on an off piste ski would be scary hooky.

I literally run as high as 2 on the base and my skis still carve fine you just have to tip further and harder.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 10:56:40 pm by jim-ratliff »

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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 06:37:14 am »
JB,

First, really glad you got the right snow to demo them on. It's 50-60 degrees here in the east, so I'm also really jealous. Enjoy.

Nice detailed review, there's always a detachment in your writing. Real live review in real conditions. You "call it as you see it", not afraid to knock a new ski you own. I can hear Jim exhaling and shouting (to himself) Yeaahhh! Jim just came up a level as a ski reviewer. ;D

Whenever I read a Dog review, he makes it very clear that he weights 150 lbs. So when he describes stiffness or bucking, he leaves as an open question that a heavier skier may not find the same properties.

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 12:08:19 pm »
What I've found is the I can work the stiffer performance boards but they can work me....in other words,....I have to pay way more attention to what's happening and they also tend to tire me out more quickly.

I think there is some correlation between energy in energy out....kinetic and potiential energy...

Being on a ski all day ....I prefer to have one that I can drive as hard at the begining of the day as well as the end of the ski day.

I think the combination of riders input, weight, skills and energy mold one's perception of a skis performance.

g

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 12:24:22 pm »
Keep in mind that Dawg skis at a high level which means significant forces bending the ski. Therefore the weight qualification may not apply the way folks think it does.

BTW, John isn't a heavy guy. He and I have the same perceptions on any ski we've both been on and there have been a bunch. And Dawg and I have the same perceptions on most skis we've both been on.

I suspect the difference they are reporting is due to something other than weight.
That's what I was trying to say above.  They RL (RockerLogik) and TT (TwinTip) are different skis from the front of the running surface forward.  When skiing the running surface (on groomed slopes) they would be very similar since they have the same, construction, ski flex, and dimensions.  HOWEVER, in any conditions where the RL tip comes into play, they are different.  That, I believe, is where the stiffness that Dawg was describing becomes evident.  See my link from Oct. 27th here.


http://www.realskiers.smfnew.com/index.php/topic,1928.0.html

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 07:47:40 pm »
I think what Max said plays a role here. The snow and the crud never gets hard here. We have some of the best snow quality in the country, light and fluffy and with cold temps as well. As well the skier count is always light. When you combine the lack of moisture in the snow with less people compacting it you never get the kind of chop and crud we get in Tahoe or the kind Max and Dawg are skiing every day at Bachelor.

I also think the TT and RL are different skis and it's possible that Dawg would not have had this issue at Bachelor on the TT's. Truthfully I don't really care because I am only going to ski mine in MT, but maybe one day I will take them up to Tahoe and then we will know for sure.

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 09:31:17 pm »
Yeah I put rail flex demos on the Chariots. I had a Power Rail as well but I decided I wanted the added stand height to help in tipping and potentially save the knees. I think I will use Power Rails on thinner skis.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 08:57:46 pm »
I had the Chariots out today in 8" of fresh. There were huge winds and at times I was skiing in knee deep and at times on some wind buff. The snow had much more moisture content than most snowfall in Montana. Chariots did not disappoint. The tips are just solid and nearly impossible to dive. I really like it as a powder ski. It's very easy to ski and the float rivals what some rockered skis get. As things got a little more cut up I had to abandon them because there were tons of exposed rocks on the some of the groomers heading back to the lift and I dinged them slightly and I didn't want to do anymore damage.

I switched to K2 Hardsides and I really liked the way this ski skied as well. Soft Snow is just fun and easy to ski!!

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 09:49:02 am »
Nice JB..still sounds like a better day than in the east!

Glad to hear you like the skis....there's gotta be an insurance company that can insure the finish.... :D

Chariots sound like a great ski to go from groomers, crud and then to Pow....it's versatility sounds perfect.

Some quick questions:

Does the shovel ride over and or through crud with no deflection?

How's the rebound off the tail.."kick in the pants", or "whenever I'm ready"?

During transitions, is the ski "patient" or impatient"?

Thanks, G

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 10:22:11 am »
Gary:
My answers, interesting to hear what John says.
1. Skiing crud may be its' strongest point. Makes me a hero skier in crud, no deflection.
2. Ski is lively but still damp (whatever that combo means). So "whenever you're ready". Tail is a big twin tip, so not much kick on groomed slopes.
3. Very patient, probably due to waist width. In spite of 15m turn radius, ski isn't too twitchy when skied flat or in transitions. And good feedback from the ski, so transitions can be very deliberate if you want. I ski bumps better with these than my other skis.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 01:03:24 pm »
Yeah I would agree with Jim on all points. The tail is definitely not that that stiff but the ski never seems to lack for stiffness. We are supposed to get 10-12"tonight. I was skiing on the ridge today and I hit rocks on almost every run. If we get 10+ I will consider taking out the Chariots. I dinged my K2's pretty good today, but obviously worth it. The skiing was good (far from great!!).


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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2012, 10:12:24 am »
Well I had my Chariots out in some fresh snow yesterday. The snow was much more Tahoe like than Montana like. We had very high moisture content and some very high winds. The snow had quite a bit of wind buff on it but it was still reasonably soft and very skiable. The chariots skied the pow fine and they were fun and enjoyable. In the chop which was much heavier than normal for here, they did not hold up well. I would say it was the opposite of what Dawg had said on the RL Chariots. My tips felt too soft and actually flapped some. In general the ski lacked the kind of stability necessary to be in aggressive in this snow. I skied both My Shamans and my K2 Hardsides in the same snow and bot were vastly superior. Later in the day I switched to me IM 78's and these were also superior (I can't say it often enough how great these skis are in so many conditions).

There was also quite a bit of groomed terrain open yesterday and so there was a lot of cut up groomed terrain from the new snow. With this heavier snow the Chariots didn't do that well. On true groomed snow the skis felt twitchy and short. They wanted to make tight 15m turns all the time and felt very twitchy going straighter than that. And i don't like the tune. It's bad and it may be some good percentage of the problem. My guess is that he's got the base way flat and it needs to be at least 1* and maybe 1.5.

I will take these out a few more times to see how they ski. It may still turn out that these are great pow skis for most days in MT. If that's the case I will be a very happy customer. It is also clear to me that I would never want to ski these skis in Tahoe or any other place that gets dense heavy snow. I will also play with the tune and see where we end up.

Happy New year to all!!


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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 05:50:54 am »
The Shaman is a Crud BUSTER!!!! What we need is the IM78 bumped up to 105mm waist.

Max, it already exists, I think that ski is called the Dynastar Legend Pro Rider 105.

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 05:49:08 pm »
Skied these again the past two days. In soft blower pow they are very nice. My skis came with the worst base grind I have ever seen from a factory. Just horrible and after 40 passes through the base grinder they still didn't have the skis flat.

I also took them into some wind buffed chop and crud today. The skis just don't hold up in this. Too soft and not enough substance.

We will see how they ski on groomed once we get the bases right. Right now it is looking like a one trick pony for blower pow days. I would have trouble calling this anything close to ski of the year!!

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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 10:49:04 pm »
JB - Your experience is now running true to my own - we're on the same page on this ski.  I think you'll find that almost any wide ski is going to feel pretty good in blower pow.  The true test is how a ski handles variable conditions and that's where the Chariot really left me flat.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 11:00:37 pm »
BTW - I know how difficult it is to find fat skis that reward good PMTS technique.  Almost everything available has been adulterated with early rise or rocker.  The Chariot looks good on paper and is beautiful to look at, but failed to live up to my expectations on snow.  Two skis that haven't failed me though are the ZAG Heli Gold and the Scott Crusade.  Those give you options for 92mm, 95mm, and 98mm underfoot (the Heli Gold width varies with length).  Both are traditional cambered skis.  The ZAG is especially fun in deeper snow, but still rails groomers like a rocket ship.  The Crusade is a crud buster extraordinaire with a super tight 15m radius for the 179cm (but it's not hooky at all due to the advanced tip geometry).  Both skis are up on eBay quite often for cheap.  They're a steal at any price, but at sub $500 prices they're one heck of a good bang for the buck.

Sorry for the little thread drift there - now back to your regularly scheduled ski review...
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2012, 08:13:17 am »
Haven't skied it but my guess is that the Movement Sluff 98mm underfoot is probably a nice skis as well.

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2012, 06:59:31 pm »
The Sluff feels very light and playful.  It transmits a bit too much slope feel through your feet than I like though.  Note that it has a different construction than the Jam.  It didn't have quite the edge hold of the Jam, but that's probably not what you're primarily looking for from a 98mm ski.

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 11:05:16 pm »
Cool that you got to ski it. They are hard to find!

On another note. My chariots required 210 passes through the base grinder to get them flat!! The guys in the shop had never seen anything like the way this ski came from the factory. Looking forward to skiing them now with a good tune.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2012, 04:53:03 pm »
JB - I hope you plan on contacting Dave Mazz about this if you haven't already.  Mazz prides himself on the quality of the skis (and their tunes) coming out of his factory.  I think he would be floored to hear this.  In fact, I'd be surprised if he doesn't consider that ski a defect and replaces them.  I've heard his customer support is top notch.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2012, 06:28:26 pm »
HighAngles, didn't Scott change the construction of the Crusade this year? Making it lighter? Which year's model are you skiing? There's a pair of 2010's (the black ones) that I've been thinking of getting.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2012, 08:25:22 pm »
BTW - I know how difficult it is to find fat skis that reward good PMTS technique.  Almost everything available has been adulterated with early rise or rocker.  The Chariot looks good on paper and is beautiful to look at, but failed to live up to my expectations on snow.  Two skis that haven't failed me though are the ZAG Heli Gold and the Scott Crusade.  Those give you options for 92mm, 95mm, and 98mm underfoot (the Heli Gold width varies with length).  Both are traditional cambered skis.  The ZAG is especially fun in deeper snow, but still rails groomers like a rocket ship.  The Crusade is a crud buster extraordinaire with a super tight 15m radius for the 179cm (but it's not hooky at all due to the advanced tip geometry).  Both skis are up on eBay quite often for cheap.  They're a steal at any price, but at sub $500 prices they're one heck of a good bang for the buck.

Sorry for the little thread drift there - now back to your regularly scheduled ski review...

Can I add the Icelantic Nomads to that list??..yes quite a bit fatter and probably not as good as either of these on the groomed but the Nomads in a 181cm have no rocker, good camber and respond wonderfully to tipping based movements (Honest).  I use the soft version, which works well in Eastern woods.  But for true big mountain crud busting I'd probably choose the regular version.   I know you guys know the Shaman well (a geat ski) these are and easier, floatier ski than the Shaman.

High Angles, have you ever skied the Movement Source??  I'm looking for a low 90's mm waisted ski...might get the Head Rock n Roll (as a long time Motorhead fan I'm almost sold on these) but the Source looks good too.   I might even get the Ski Logik Rave (I don't need a 100mm ski with the Icelantic). 

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2012, 07:41:35 am »
The Nomad is floatier than the Shaman?

The Nomad SFT in a 181 floats better than the 173cm Shaman in my experience (I never tried the 184 as that would be just too much ski, honestly, the 173 is a lot of ski.).  Also, by 'float', I mean it drifts and straight glides in deeper snow a little better than the Shaman. 

On the other hand, when cranking short turns in deep snow, nothing stays above the snow like the front end of the Shaman.  But that is only one aspect of float...the Nomad floats and maneuvers well even when you aren't cranking turns, so does the Shaman, but the Nomad SFT is, in my experience better.

I was really just throwing out another NON-ROCKERED and WELL-CAMBERED off piste option that does adequately on firmer (but not bullet-proof) surfaces and responds well to a carvier approach to skiing.   The Shaman fits the bill, too.  But I like the Nomad More in more conditions. YRMV.

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2012, 08:14:49 am »
How does it hold up in crud and chop?

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2012, 09:18:51 am »
The Crusade is a crud buster extraordinaire with a super tight 15m radius for the 179cm (but it's not hooky at all due to the advanced tip geometry).  Both skis are up on eBay quite often for cheap.  They're a steal at any price, but at sub $500 prices they're one heck of a good bang for the buck.

Curious coincidence! I was just raving about these skis in another thread: http://www.realskiers.smfnew.com/index.php/topic,1983.0.html

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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2012, 10:53:19 am »
How does it hold up in crud and chop?

Well, I've skied it in a lot of difficult and challenging snow (and in a lot of great snow as well).  So I'd say, For the way I ski, it handles crud/ chop pretty darn good.  It's light, but the tip will engage and slice a good edge through difficult snow.  It's very easy to pop around and to jump and play with in crud and chop.  It is really excellent in breakable crust (as far as skiing breakable crust can ever be called excellent).  When crud begins to turn to more solid 'crud bumps', it really skis well as it's flex and shape is very helpful in bumps.  It's not a ski that will bulldoze, blaze through, or tear up the heaviest of chop.  But, with a light touch and at speeds that are more moderate, it makes for a very capable and playful ski.

It does have a fairly pronounced speed limit in really heavy chop.  I would imagine that high speed arcs in PNW deep crud would not be it's forte.  The Shaman is the real world beater for that sort of skiing in those conditions.  But you already knew that.

What is really great about both these skis is that they handle groomed, or firmer snow very well...no, you won't confuse them for SuperShape, but you won't confuse them for a Bent Chetler either!  For medium to large arcs on spring snow, soft groomers or even average groomers, the Nomads are very peasant and capable of moderate angle carving.  For a mixed skiing day that has crud filled tree runs and long groomers back to the lift (and, like I said, especially for people who want a wider but also a non-rockered ski with traditional camber) these skis are great.




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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2012, 12:09:58 pm »
I am trying to ski at higher speeds off piste. I find that anything that is on the soft side just doesn't have enough stability to faciltate skiing at the faster speeds. I'm sure it's a really fun ski and I am a huge fan of the Shaman. My bet is that the Nomad regular would be a better ski for me.

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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2012, 12:24:24 pm »
oh yeah, without question the nomad regular makes more sense for what you're looking for. (The Big, steep, long spaces of Big Sky certainly suggest a stiffer ski for those who want to ski really fast).

Why did you buy the Ullr's Chariot??  Even from peter's Review I knew that it wouldn't hold a candle to to the Shaman in crud (or powder for that matter)?   You already own the sword you wanted.

Did you ever ski the old Stockli Stormrider DP pro??  I know someone who still uses this ski and says nothing, nothing ever trucked through big steep off piste snow with more stability at speed than these.  He has them in the 190 ish length...there must be some floating around out there on ebay worth looking into   (I'd like to ski the new Stormrider 95, but those, like the Kastles are just a little too pricey--but I bet you might like those for fast crud skiing).


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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2012, 01:59:37 pm »
Now that I own the Chariots I'm not sure why I bought them ;)
I didn't expect them to be as floppy in crud.

I have skied the old DP Pro. Too fricking stiff as was the old Scot Schmidt model. The new ones are much less stiff, but still firm skis. They all have a very wide turn radius.

I also feel pretty confident that I should be able to ski most of what gets thrown at me with the skis that I already own. It's so easy to believe that a new ski will make it all easier and more fun. While all new skis are fun (if you like or love them) it's the skier and not the ski 90% of the time.


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Re: Ski Logic Ullr's Chariot Mini Review
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2012, 04:53:12 pm »
HighAngles, didn't Scott change the construction of the Crusade this year? Making it lighter? Which year's model are you skiing? There's a pair of 2010's (the black ones) that I've been thinking of getting.

Sorry for the thread drift, but here's the quick answer.  Scott said that the 2011-12 Crusade (white ones) was lightened up, but I sure couldn't tell the difference.