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Perry

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Bindings pros and cons
« on: January 07, 2011, 08:10:01 am »
Ron and company - when you put Griffins on your skis, do you use an adjustable track.  What do you like about that binding c/w Tyvolia/Head PowerRail

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 08:21:27 am »
Perry....I like the idea of being able to adjust the binding fore or aft depending on where my ideal balance point is.

I have a pair of Marker Griffons on my Kastle but if I were to do it again for any skis...I'd probably go with the Griffon Schizw 12.....

This way you'd have the choice of being able to move the binding without re-drilling....

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 08:48:49 am »
Perry, you can buy a demo griff or a plate that gives you the ability to move the binding. If you are buying these from Scott, Dawg, he has them. I would aslo speak with Scott about a mount point.  I would think center to +1 is probably good but he knows that ski better. I don't know how much real rocker (run and rise) it has.

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2011, 08:58:46 am »
Gary and Ron - thanks
Scott also has the Fischer bindings but they aren't on the site and he can only put them on the fischer skis.  I'll have to call and make sure we can move them fore and aft.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 09:43:40 am »
I went to the Fischer web site...doesn't look like their freeride bindings are adjustable.

Given your height and weight, I'm thinking the standard mounting point is going to be right on.

I typically like my bindings about 1/2 inch forward but the S3's are right on at the standard mount.

You might run it by Dawg....

Hey worst case scenario, you could always have them remounted......but finding the sweet spot makes a huge difference!

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 09:46:21 am »
why the ty/fischer bindings? Why not a jester on a plate if you are concerned? I do think the center or recommended mount is going to be fine.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 11:07:57 am »
He was out of the adjustable plates for the Marker, so went with the Fischer which is the same as the Head/Ty binding.  Jim really likes his.  The adjustments are very easy.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 11:11:41 am »
that's a good binding...

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 12:02:41 pm »
Perry..which model? is the Mojo or the Powerail?


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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 12:48:25 pm »
power rail.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 01:46:46 pm »
Just to throw in my two cents, of all adjustable bindings that I have ever used, I would say that the Griffon/Jester adajustables are by far the best. In fact you can make a case that because the Griffon/Jester adjustables are so close to the non adjustables that one should buy those instead of standard bindings. I have never played with them but I think they will give you the ability to move the center point forwrad and back a good degree (probably more than what you get on the Schizo). As I remember you can move both the toe and heel piece a good ways back and forth. Personally I would buy one of these before the Schizo that only lets you move 7mm.

For the price, it is hard to beat the Railflex bindings. 12 din railflex can be had for as low as $100 most of the time of Levelnine. Moves 1.5cm both forward and back. Does raise the height of the boot but I like this as it makes the ski easier to tip. Don't know the power rail other than it is lower stand height and there are no delal on them this season. Next year deals should be plentiful as Head is the worst co out there at protecting their dealers from price discounting.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 02:06:44 pm »
wow we totally agree on bindings!  so cool!   ;D

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2011, 03:32:19 pm »
Just to throw in my two cents, of all adjustable bindings that I have ever used, I would say that the Griffon/Jester adajustables are by far the best. In fact you can make a case that because the Griffon/Jester adjustables are so close to the non adjustables that one should buy those instead of standard bindings. I have never played with them but I think they will give you the ability to move the center point forwrad and back a good degree (probably more than what you get on the Schizo). As I remember you can move both the toe and heel piece a good ways back and forth. Personally I would buy one of these before the Schizo that only lets you move 7mm.

For the price, it is hard to beat the Railflex bindings. 12 din railflex can be had for as low as $100 most of the time of Levelnine. Moves 1.5cm both forward and back. Does raise the height of the boot but I like this as it makes the ski easier to tip. Don't know the power rail other than it is lower stand height and there are no delal on them this season. Next year deals should be plentiful as Head is the worst co out there at protecting their dealers from price discounting.

I actually didn't know that I could move the griffon fore and aft so I have learned something here for future reference.

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2011, 04:57:33 pm »
I am talking about the Griffon and Jester adjustable/demo bindings. The regular Griffon and Jesters can't be moved.

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2011, 06:00:09 pm »
ok, I understand you now.  He was out of those so it wasn't an option.

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2011, 04:34:26 am »
I think Phils shop has them but............. ::)

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 06:03:54 am »
I am talking about the Griffon and Jester adjustable/demo bindings. The regular Griffon and Jesters can't be moved.

Perry,
I'd second the Griffon/Jester demo bindings. Griffon's are what were on my MX88's and adjust with a flat screwdriver very quickly. Don't add much weight at all and would be a great selling point in the future (thinking like Ron here as there will come a day to say good-bye). Many wider skis had them yesterday at the Elk Mtn. demo tents. The real plus is that should we ever ski together, we can swap skis for some runs.

Congrat's on the Fishers, but, I'm laughing out loud that your original final cut 3 (Chariot, One and Sultan) did not really make the final cut. Go figure, but, it happens everyday in the ski selection process.

Mike

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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2011, 09:24:52 am »
I am talking about the Griffon and Jester adjustable/demo bindings. The regular Griffon and Jesters can't be moved.

Perry,
I'd second the Griffon/Jester demo bindings. Griffon's are what were on my MX88's and adjust with a flat screwdriver very quickly. Don't add much weight at all and would be a great selling point in the future (thinking like Ron here as there will come a day to say good-bye). Many wider skis had them yesterday at the Elk Mtn. demo tents. The real plus is that should we ever ski together, we can swap skis for some runs.

Congrat's on the Fishers, but, I'm laughing out loud that your original final cut 3 (Chariot, One and Sultan) did not really make the final cut. Go figure, but, it happens everyday in the ski selection process.

Mike

The bindings that will be on there are adjustable without any screwdriver (I think - there are two different versions)  - So if we get to make turns together, you will get a ride and I will be able to try the 88's (another ski that crept into the equation)

In the end I decided to go with bump and off-piste performance and be willing to sacrifice some groomer performance.  SO - how much I like the ski may depend on how good the snow is out west when I go. 

I get to ski groomers and ice all I want and I like that kind of skiing.  I love even better the kind of varying terrain you get to ski on groomers out West. However, I am always looking to the next challenge and I got a taste of bumps last year and I'm hungry for more.  I have done a little bit of tree skiing at Wolf Creek and that was awesome so I wanted a ski that would do those things and I figure it will be easier to rent a groomer ski on a bad week of snow than to get a powder ski on a week with constant snow.  Time will tell if that makes sense.  There are so many good skis out there that you can become a raving schizo-ski-selector.  Here is an example of what I mean - Killer 98 reviews by Dawgcatching at Epic http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/99802/killer-98-s-2011-dynastar-6th-sense-slicer-blizzard-the-one-fischer-watea-98
I like what I read about the Watea, but I am objective enough to read about the One and wonder if it wouldn't be a great choice for days that I am on groomers.  In the end, some brand loyalty ( I loved my RX8) won out.

Joe - good to have your contributions - keep them coming



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Re: Bindings pros and cons
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2011, 09:59:21 am »
Perrry, one things is for sure , Fischer makes great skis. They were in a bit of a rut for the past few years and it definitley is a less popular brand, but not because of the quality of their skis. I read Dawgs review of the 98 and it sounds like a wonderful ski. Others have raved about the Watea 98. These should open up some new terrain for you. Enjoy them!!