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jim-ratliff

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What liners are in your ski boots
« on: November 05, 2010, 09:28:50 am »

Just curious how many people are using custom liners (Intuition, ZipFit, etc).  If its an Intuition that came with the boot, then that is still the stock (though good) liner.

I have Head Raptor 120's with the stock liner.  New last year so no signs of packing out.
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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 09:51:00 am »
Me too Jim...stock liners in my Raptors with over 100 days on them and the liners are like new.

But...I should add that the shell fit was like a glove...packing out would be less noticeable I think with a snug fit on the shell fit.

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 10:44:30 am »
I can wholeheartedly recommend the nordica foam liner. By far the very best I have ever had. Foamed to your foot and they last 3-4 times longer than a standard liner. They also cost $350, but in my opinion well worth it, not just for comfort but also for performance. Awesome. JB.

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 02:46:01 pm »
I also have the foam Nordica liners.
Hence the never dying "boot story".

Now they are great. Definitely took many ski days for them to soften a bit and not feel like a
iron clad device. And getting in and out of them initially was an olympic event for me coupled with
the boot shell modifications.

I put the nordica liners in my new nordica shells. A better fit than the liner it came with. I may be using them, though it
does nothing for the looks of my new boots. ;)
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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 09:21:38 am »
Hmm Lynn.....another iron clad device to play with?? >:D

Guys I'm having a hard time believeing that given how well the shell conforms to my foot in my Raptor, where I have no movement or hollow spots if I could be sold on the value of a foam liner....

I'm thinking that if the shape of one's foot does not match up to the contour of the shell in it's stock form or modified, then herein lies the perfect user for the foam liner.

Thoughts?

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 10:14:03 am »
Guys I'm having a hard time believeing that given how well the shell conforms to my foot in my Raptor, where I have no movement or hollow spots if I could be sold on the value of a foam liner....

I'm thinking that if the shape of one's foot does not match up to the contour of the shell in it's stock form or modified, then herein lies the perfect user for the foam liner.

My opinion.? There's a big difference in the liner for a Raptor or other higher end boot (and some manufacturers actually source Intuition liners as their "stock" liner for high end boots) and lower level boots.? In Lynn's case, they took a softer flexing boot in a smaller size to try and get a narrow boot that wasn't too stiff for her, and then ground/stretched to get the length she needed.? The stock liner would have probably been too short, and for sure the foam liner helped take up extra space as far as overall foot width and her very low volume instep.

I am considering trying Zipfits or Intuitions in a year or so just so I can see for myself what others rave about.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2010, 10:16:27 am by jim-ratliff »
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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 01:13:29 pm »
I can see your point Jim....on the intermediate type boots that basically are designed with cusshy liners for comfort...But I must say,....there's nothing more comfortable than a properly fitted high performance boot....warm and just the perfect extension of your own foot...good stuff!~

I'm personally not a fan of putting a Intuition liner in my boot...the thckness of that liner would not work well for my foot fit just because of the contact I have between my liner and shell now. Never was a big on the ankle hold of that liner. I did try a Zip Fit liner in my previous Head RS90 boots and did not like the performace of that particular model they had me in...it had some kind of flexible material in the toe box that I thought allowed too much movement...but the real problem was the boot shell was to big. So...try, learn and live!

Be interested to hear your thoughts if you make the change.? G
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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 03:33:28 pm »
I skied my new Raptor 150 boots with Head stock liners on Friday at Loveland. The shell on the 150's is a tighter fit than that of the 130's and my foam liners don't fit in the 150's. I was out of those boots by lunch. Way too much slop and my feet were getting abrasions rubbing up against the liner. I discovered very quickly that I can't ski in anything but the foam liners. Even more importantly, if you tip your feet, especially to the little toe edge and do this agressivley, without foam liners my feet just get trashed by pushing up against hard plastic. Hence by noon, my feet didn't want to do ths anymore and my skiing quickly degraded.

Gary, yes there is a 3-7 day break in period for the liners. In Montana where it is cold, I was able to ski the whole day on my second day and they felt pretty good by day 4 or 5. By 10 days they are awesome. These liners are not only very comfortable when broken in, but they help you ski better if you use any tipping forces. Great product.


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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 01:25:59 pm »
JB...I use tipping to little toe edge as much as I use big toe...actually, I don't even think about big toe cause it's so automatic...but..wi th the shape of my foot and how it marries up to the shape of my boot, I have no movement, chaffing, rubbing or slipping. With the few adjustments I made, it'a quite dialed in.

I am glad to hear in your case that the foam liner was the magic bullet. I think that in all cases getting the closest thing to the ergonomically shaped shell design for the skiers foot shape is critical. If there are still tolerences that just can't be rectified....the foam liner makes all the sense in the world to me.

Happy feet mean happy turns!

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 11:24:44 am »
I have the "real" Intuitions (from Intuition direct), not the intuitions that came in my dalbello's. There's a substantial difference between the 2. The real ones are very good. Quite warm as well. Once my leg mucles started to work properly, I rebaked them before going to chile. They were great. as always, the fit is where you start, if the fit isn't right, its hard to assess the boot let alone the liner.

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 04:45:45 pm »
I have the "real" Intuitions (from Intuition direct), not the intuitions that came in my dalbello's. There's a substantial difference between the 2. The real ones are very good. Quite warm as well. Once my leg mucles started to work properly, I rebaked them before going to chile. They were great. as always, the fit is where you start, if the fit isn't right, its hard to assess the boot let alone the liner.

That's pretty interesting. I just assumed that Intuition sourced would be pretty much the same liner.  Thanks for the info.
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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 12:47:26 pm »
I didnt either until the original liners kind of packed out after 60 days on them. I called Intuition and they told me they build liners for the boot folks built to their specs.

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 08:19:58 am »
Liners are for wimps. If you have a proper shell fit, you don't need a liner.  >:D

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Re: What liners are in your ski boots
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 08:48:34 am »
I think you're on to something here Phil!!!!

You first!  :P