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Ride up Mt Werner
« on: July 19, 2010, 08:17:53 am »
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/95107/ride-up-mt-werner-with-ski-ra-and-finn#post_1234313

My friend Ira and I rode up to the Gondi yesterday.  A great and challenging ride. 


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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 02:04:58 pm »

Wow.  2000 vertical feet is a ride.  Well done!  That exercise program of chasing the ice cream truck must be really working for you.
 ;D ;D You need to be careful, however, if you get fast enough that you are actually able to CATCH that ice cream truck  ;D ;D the fitness level might then take a nosedive. 


Must say that you bike looks even better "in the wild" than just the picture you posted.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 02:18:42 pm »
Thanks Jim, my legs held up fine but aenerobic (sp) element was where I got killed. I don't want to say it was just altitude but on the short very steep climbs, it just burned you out you just can't replenish the O2 levels, on long climbs it was OK, you just drop gear and get into a nice slow cadence. You can do OK on those.  Ira has really trained for that and it shows. 

The bike color in "person" is really a sweet intense royal  blue with some metailic flake. I am very happy with it. The performance of the rear in climbing and descending was crazy good. It was so much different that I really had to modify the way I climbed and descended. the most dramatic difference was the absorption of the terrain, 6" rocks and roots were basically smotthed out so I was really able to ride faster and more aggesiively (for a gaper).  140mm up front and  5.5" on the rear. The fit of the bike is just fantastic. We went with the XL 21" frame and i was realy concerned with the size but the top to seat tube was the exact same as the trek but the crank is more forward, End result was that with a 90 stem, the fit is just right, I even ended up moving the seat back a few MM's. it weighs in at 27#.  When I upgrade the wheel set next spring, it should be about a pound lighter.

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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 03:23:14 pm »
I can easily believe it is mostly altitude.? I know how easily I get winded on the first few days of a ski trip, and then get a bit of acclimitization.

If IRA lives out there, then he is walking around with a lot more oxygen carrying red blood cells than you are.

You check with Lance, maybe he could give some pointers on how to tranfuse red blood cells when you reach the high country??? ?>:D

Lynn is finally getting me to understand that climbing hills isn't really about muscle, its finding a speed/workload where your body can aerobically maintain the level of exercise. I did a 45 mile ride in the Hudson valley yesterday and it was the first time that my "comfortable pedalling speed" actually resulted in me passing people going up hill, and there wasn't a single hill where I went too hard at the bottom and died before the top (that's my old anaerobic method of climbing).? However, what I call hills (at sea level) is NOTHING comparatively, you were climbing mountains at 10,000+ feet.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 03:45:18 pm »
All of my athletic background has been of the (1) type, playing basketball and baseball is all about fast twitch muscles and then a fast recovery from an anaerobic deficit.? A basketball game goes on for an hour or so, but the physical exertion is all in 15 second (or less bursts).? Now, since I am primarily interested in Aerobic conditioning associated with my advancing years, I am challenged to become more of a (2). I can go up hills very well for about 2-4 minutes, and then my legs just burn.? It's been a challenge to find an aerobic level to ride at from the bottom of the hill. Lynn, on the other had, was doing marathons and triathlons in her twenties and continued a level of exercise that built a preponderance of slow-twitch muscles, and she has a dramatic advantage when it comes to using all of those muscles for longer climb.? I marvel when my legs are burning and she says that hers never do!? She's like the Energizer bunny and just keeps on pedaling.


1. The Burst Power Enzyme System
The enzymes required for this reaction are depleted in less than two minutes. This reaction is called Anaerobic Glycolysis because it uses glucose without oxygen.

Glucose? 2ATP + 2 Lactate

To continue muscle usage requires the aerobic system to kick in. The aerobic system uses oxygen and sugar for fuel. Your ability to perform well after about two minutes of maximum exertion depends on the aerobic conditioning of your body.

2. The Endurance Enzyme System
There are three sources of ATP for aerobic muscle to use: carbohydrates, fats, and amino acid proteins. Carbohydrates metabolize the most efficiently and are therefore used first. If carbohydrates are not available, your body metabolizes fat and amino acid proteins. All three of these reactions are called Aerobic Glycolysis because they use glucose and oxygen:

1. Carbohydrate Metabolism: Glucose + 02? 36ATP + C02 + H20
2. Fat Metabolism: Fatty Acid + 02? 130 ATP + C02 + H20
3. Amino Acid Protein Metabolism: Amino Acids + 02? 15 ATP + C02 + H20

Your body stores glucose and fatty acids for these reactions. Your cardiovascular system provides a continuous supply of oxygen. Glycogen is stored in the muscles and liver in sufficient quantities for about two hours of strenuous exercise. You can extend this time by aerobic physical conditioning and high carbohydrate diet. After your glycogen stores are used up your body obtains its energy from fatty acid metabolism and amino acid protein metabolism. These reactions are not efficient, which consequently cause your strength and endurance to drop drastically.

EXERCISING AND BUILDING MUSCLES
Muscles change and develop with regular exercise but the effects differ, depending on whether you engage in strength, speed, or endurance training.

Strength and burst training cause the muscle fibers to enlarge. Individual muscle fibers increase in diameter as a result of an increase in intracellular protein fibrils.

Endurance training causes more blood vessel formation than does speed or strength training, which produces an increased capacity for aerobic metabolism within the muscle cell. This change is seen after a few weeks of training and is maximized in about three months. The aerobic enzymes that metabolize carbohydrates, fats, and proteins double.

It is important to develop your strength and speed systems, but if you want to continue past about two minutes of high intensity workouts, you need to have your aerobic systems developed.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 05:02:57 pm »
Exercise physiology 201 anyone?? >:D

We just got 101 and VERY good it was! ;D

Making fun a bit, but actually good to touch base with stuff I read LONG,LONG ago and only somewhat remember.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 05:13:16 pm »
very cool stuff, Interesting for sure. So make sure you carb up!  I probably should have done a few more Acellegels! :)  One that was in my back pouch exploded on my fall!  Ira lives on the front range so thats a little over 5K feet. It does help, but I don't want to take the easy out here, I need to improve.  When you see the fitness level of the folks out here, it's humbling to say the least.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 05:56:33 pm »
Exercise physiology 201 anyone?? >:D

We just got 101 and VERY good it was! ;D

Making fun a bit, but actually good to touch base with stuff I read LONG,LONG ago and only somewhat remember.

I have to admit that this was all new to me, nothing I ever ran into growing up.? I had no idea that there were fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers, or which was used for what and how to foster the growth of one versus the other.  I just thought all muscles were pretty much the same.  :o :o
Of course, none of my basketball coaches ever said much about real stretching either, and looking back feel that was real unfortunate.
Wind sprints, running bleachers, directonal shuffles with some situps and pull-ups, but no stretching of the resultant muscles.? Oh well, hopefully coaches have gotten smarter.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 06:02:10 pm »
very cool stuff, Interesting for sure. So make sure you carb up! I probably should have done a few more Acellegels! :) One that was in my back pouch exploded on my fall! Ira lives on the front range so thats a little over 5K feet. It does help, but I don't want to take the easy out here, I need to improve. When you see the fitness level of the folks out here, it's humbling to say the least.

Actually, I think I need to do more longer rides as a way of exercising my bodies glycogen storage and retrieval.? I wonder if this is what Mike was saying about exercising longer at low VO max.?
I had been content with 90 minute rides figuring that out of that 90 minutes I had enough time at higher heart rates to be healthy, but thinking now that my next step might be to stretch the length of exercise and keep the heart rate lower for some rides.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 08:37:59 am »
Seems to me that a good bloody mary gets my heart beat up and hell....a shot of Jack gives me sub human strength....

My hats off to anyone riding hard in them there hills! Nice photo's Ron....and Good on ya!

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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2010, 03:19:35 pm »
What is in vogue today is interval training. The link below is a good introduction.

http://www.cptips.com/intervl.htm

I use a program from Bicycling Mag. There are a ton available on the net - google "bicycle interval training". Simply, you train your body to do higher levels of work. Hockey players line shifts are excellent examples of intervals. 3 lines go like hell for 2 minutes and then rest for 4.

Two days a week, I limit my ride time to about an hour and perform high intensity, short duration bursts followed by a period of rest. I ride with a heart rate monitor. One example is that there is a bridge where I climb, coast down, recover and then turn around and do it again, and again etc. Another is I ride for 7 minutes at a higher, not max heart rate, then recover and do this 7 times. Not fun! :P

Before starting, be warned that you should build 500 base miles of easy riding. Not a good program for anyone who just starting riding.

but, back to Ron's ride up the 'boat. That was some great riding and I salute anyone who does this 2000 ft climb in the Rockies. It's a tribute to all the work he's done. I had planned a century 100 mile ride this coming weekend in the area of Ithica NY. Just found out it involves 3000 ft of climbing. One or the other is do-able, not both at this time.

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 07:10:57 am »
Mike, that's great training you do!  I agree about the intervals for sure. Your "bridge drill" is awesome!!!  great job.  I would take a look at the ride map, you may find the climb is not as bad as it sounds. It is going to be a total of 3K so if you take a look, you may find that its just a bunch of smaller climbs or longer climbs over a distance, in which case, you just drop gear and get into a good cadence. I would be more concerned with high-heat and himidity.  Either way, you are doing a great job. I don't know if I could do 100.

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 07:28:39 am »

Now that I can believe!

Seems to me that a good bloody mary gets my heart beat up and hell....a shot of Jack gives me sub human strength....

My hats off to anyone riding hard in them there hills! Nice photo's Ron....and Good on ya!

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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 07:32:39 am »
Mike/All:
 
Your interval training is exactly what I am trying to understand. ?It's similar to the windsprints I used to get to run in high school basketball, maximum exertion for a brief period of time, a recovery period, repeat as long as the coach keeps blowing the whistle. ?We didn't have heart monitors because we were kids, but I'm sure it was 15-20 minutes with heart rates above 160, ?but do such drills develop Slow Twitch muscles necessary for endurance or do they build Fast Twitch muscles that are used for short bursts of greater strength. ?The 2 minutes hockey lines, for example , match pretty close the description that Fast Twitch muscles burn all of their burst power enzymes in about 2 minutes.

Lynn calls it "specificity of training". ?If I want to be able to run a Marathon, I don't do much sprinting, I focus on longer runs? ?if I eventually think I might want to ride a Century, then I need to be doing more 4-5 hour rides?
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2010, 07:38:10 am »

 I had planned a century 100 mile ride this coming weekend in the area of Ithica NY. Just found out it involves 3000 ft of climbing. One or the other is do-able, not both at this time.
Mike:
The fingers of land in between the lakes have some climbs, probably similar to your bridge climb. A bit steep, but not a long distance (I might guess 500-700 feet eleveation over 3/4 of a mile).  I admit I walked up a couple for 100 yards or so.? What about pre-positioning a car at the half way point (or a metric Century) so you can bail out if the full Century is too much.? Accomplishing a longer ride like that is very gratifying.
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2010, 08:12:10 am »
my understanding from the latest studies is that interval training is beneficial for long and short distance training. Intervals is highly effective for overall endurance.

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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2010, 11:31:33 am »
Not just the latest studies.
As both a high school swimmer and recreational runner who did 10k's occasionally, interval training was the key to improvement overall. Not just short stuff.
For marathons, mile repeats are in order.

If my shoulders hold up, I may end up back in the pool doing work outs. I find it incredibly boring to swim for fitness without the group dynamic anymore. WHich means interval training.

So Ron, which hill at SB will provide the right pitch and length for repeats? >:D
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2010, 03:03:02 pm »
For marathons, mile repeats are in order.
Ok, the dummie continues to prod and pry, but I am learning.? What, pray tell, are mile repeats??  ??? :o :-[ :-\ :-* >:D
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2010, 07:31:27 pm »
The interval distance being repeated at greater than average pace (approx 80% is my guess of perceived effort) is a mile.
So, how about 10 one mile repeats for fun??
Never did them to that extent. But I should have. Got that info after my long distance running days were done. Left knee didn't like it anymore. :(
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 07:21:47 am »
You are a cruel woman!  you want me to do 10 mile repeats UP the mountain????????   Hmm, not so much....  but you are welcome to show me how ::)


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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 08:56:36 am »
I was referring to marathon training.
As far as mountain climbing, take a page from Lance Armstrong. DId a training ride up Alp'DHuez (a grueling, twising, long climb which is miles long). Came down and said to his coach "I didn't get it. I need to do it again". (paraphrasing a bit).

So, he did it again. NOW THAT'S TRAINING!!!

Ron
WHen you have your mountain bike base ( if you don't already), perhaps you could find a shorter, more intense hill to do repeats on. Let us know how that goes.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 10:02:26 am »
di you mean "back", it should be in tomorrow. I have actaully thought about that, I have some very good hills around here to train on and plan to. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2010, 06:47:56 pm »
Oh, didn't realize the bike was damaged. Thought you were the only casualty!

How much longer at SB?

Damn, a great place to have as your fall back.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 06:56:48 am »
NO, they mailed the bike back to me in NJ, the bike is fine, not even a scratch!  you typed "when you have the your mountain bike base"- I thought you meant back, not base. What does that mean?

I really plan on living out there within 2 years. Frankly, I am ready to move now but the wife is not and I completely understand and can wait. She also wants to move here so it's not a matter of convincing her.

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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2010, 08:35:46 am »
You typed "when you have the your mountain bike base"- I thought you meant back, not base. What does that mean?

Ron:? Its her way of saying a base level of fitness in a specific sport (and environment, I guess, since riding at Steamboat is dramatically different than riding at sea level). Same as what Mike is saying in this quote from another thread, I think.? While you certainly have an excellent level of fitness from chasing that Ice Cream truck? ;D that's not quite the same as Mountain Biking, which is not quite the same a Road Biking, I guess.? Specificity of training, and the reason that triathletes have to train in all three disciplines.

Two days a week, I limit my ride time to about an hour and perform high intensity, short duration bursts followed by a period of rest. I ride with a heart rate monitor. One example is that there is a bridge where I climb, coast down, recover and then turn around and do it again, and again etc. Another is I ride for 7 minutes at a higher, not max heart rate, then recover and do this 7 times. Not fun! :P

Before starting, be warned that you should build 500 base miles of easy riding. Not a good program for anyone who just starting riding.

Another example from the IBIS thread

Get your red blood cells in order before pushing it!
Wouldn't want to pass out and scratch that new baby.
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2010, 09:07:33 am »
oh, well, that's why I cross-train, running, mtn biking, lifting and plyometrics. But lets be honest- I am not in excellent condition. Better than many much worse than a lot. Compared to the average guy out there on the mountain, I have a long way to go.  When i can run up the mountain like many do there, then we can talk. but I have a long way to go until I feel I am in excellent shape.  thanks though!


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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2010, 10:57:48 am »
oh, well, that's why I cross-train, running, mtn biking, lifting and plyometrics. But lets be honest- I am not in excellent condition. Better than many much worse than a lot. Compared to the average guy out there on the mountain, I have a long way to go.? When i can run up the mountain like many do there, then we can talk. but I have a long way to go until I feel I am in excellent shape.? thanks though!

Ron,
An educated guess is you are better conditioned than most, much worse than a few. Of course, it depends on the control group involved in the comparison. Mountain biking is much like skiing in that the bike handling skills of the rider become a paramount factor. Watching Mtn Bike **** is almost overwhelming seeing what they do and the risk involved. For sure, I need to work in cross training and I've been considering joining a "boot camp" session that occurs 3 days a week on a local beach.

This week has been insightful with respect to interval training. I've been going hard for about 6 weeks on a bike, probably went too far and too fast resulting in over-training. My body (and heart rate monitor) is telling me to rest more. I've been riding 2 days and resting 1. Yesterday should have been a riding day, but, I woke up just exhausted and tired all day long, no riding at all. The heat and humidity don't help.

It has worked out very well that I passed on a century tomorrow. Interval experience tells me that I only have a handful of times in a training session where I can go into extended high heart rate periods. Exceeding that number just destroys the body's ability to recover. The plan is to back off for a few days and see what else my body is telling me that it can do. My mind always forgets that my body is aging! ::)

As I get older, I pride myself in differentiating between what I need and what I want. The important thing is to find something that excites and keep doing it.


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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2010, 12:38:43 pm »
Mike kudo's and a beer and wings to you my friend!  You are awesome. Keep up the hard work!!! (insert thumbs up emodicon)  coming home after just 10 days I am drained from running this AM in the humidity. let us know if you join the boot camp, if its something you can work in, I can promise you lots of pain, gain and a good sense of accomplishement. It's very rewarding when you overcome that mental "I can't" thing. It helps to have someone there to guide and push you along. (safely)

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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2010, 01:33:21 pm »
It has worked out very well that I passed on a century tomorrow. Interval experience tells me that I only have a handful of times in a training session where I can go into extended high heart rate periods. Exceeding that number just destroys the body's ability to recover. The plan is to back off for a few days and see what else my body is telling me that it can do. My mind always forgets that my body is aging! ::)

Mike:? Lynn tells me that in her experience the "base" continues to improve/increase over time, even if the level of exertion is constant.? I was a better biker the first week of this summer than I was the first week of last summer, and I will be a better biker the first week of next year (and then can build on that).? Has to do with the body building new capillaries and ability to circulate blood to new muscles and stuff.? She just uses the word "base" to reflect all of this.? In my mind, its sort of like taking three bike specific steps forward in the summertime and one bike specific step backwards in the winter.? Still leaves us 2 steps forward at the beginning of the next year.? I'm not sure I understand it, but she's run the NYC marathon several times and her husband was a nationally ranked triathlete and well-respected swim coach, and they are bound to know more than me.?

Keep at it, you'll be surprised.? I wasn't as committed and focused as you, but my first year 8 miles was a long ride and I got to 15-20.? Last year 40 miles was a long ride, 20 was easy and doing 78 at the Farm Ride surprised me.? This year 25-30 is pretty easy and 43.5 last weekend wasn't hard.? I'll probably do a Metric Century in the Shenandoah Valley in September and don't feel too much need to even focus on trainiing.? I can do 3x20 mile rides with a rest stop in between each without too much stress.? But I don't have much desire to ride 100 miles. I think you'll surprise yourself, but it probably takes longer than when we were 25.

My hardest lesson has been learning to ride at an aerobically sustainable pace when going up hills rather than burning up my quads trying to ride faster and becoming anaerobic.
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2010, 01:50:45 pm »
WOW! you really know your stuff and I commend you on your efforts as well. You are really doing well jim!  I aslo have a ton of respect for Lynn in so many ways, not to mention her accomlishments in running and riding. I remember learning about doug and his amazing abilities. As I say all the time, "I have a lot to learn"  thanks!!!  I am hopeful that if I keep hammering now as i age, I can keep the momentum, I think it's much easier to keep the level of intensity up than to chase the ice cream truck later!  ;D  Plus I really love doing this- although I will say I really enjoy it much more out there.

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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2010, 02:03:34 pm »
WOW! you really know your stuff and I commend you on your efforts as well. You are really doing well jim!? I aslo have a ton of respect for Lynn in so many ways, not to mention her accomlishments in running and riding. I remember learning about doug and his amazing abilities. As I say all the time, "I have a lot to learn"? thanks!!!? I am hopeful that if I keep hammering now as i age, I can keep the momentum, I think it's much easier to keep the level of intensity up than to chase the ice cream truck later!? ;D? Plus I really love doing this- although I will say I really enjoy it much more out there.

That is the key.? Easy to do something you enjoy.? Sometimes I push myself a bit, sometimes I admire the roses (or stop at the local baseball field and watch the Little League games), but I always enjoy getting out and about.? And Ron, I agree with Mike. It's easy for you to compare yourself with the 3% that's more fit than you, but you are certainly in the 95th percentile I imagine.

And, by the way, I couldn't do that Mt. Werner ride that you did.
And don't tell her this, but I have a ton of respect for Lynn as well.? Amazingly supportive and encouraging for such a Type A personality.? ?;D >:D ;D :-*
And yes, its harder to play catch-up as you get older.? Wish I had learned to ski much younger.
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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2010, 02:49:45 pm »
wow, group hug a pepsi (or is it coke) and some beers please!  3% no way!!!  the ride is not as difficult as you are thinking, take the mental image out of it.  its not like I went 2100 straight up without a few stops in there. There are plenty who can.  BTW- Here are the result of the Steamboat town challenge thunderhead climb race.

winning time was 32 minutes......  fastest time for 50 and over - expert was 40:57 

I think our time was 1:10.

my friend Ira should have raced in this, he's 56 and in incredible shape. he's a machine. He had to wait for me! They take different route that's a little easier but still a grinder.

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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2010, 03:23:16 pm »
Climbing on a ride that lasted more than an hour when you live at sea level.? My hat REMAINS off.? Well done.? ?8) 8)

3% of USA's 300,000,000 population is still 9,000,000 people that are in better shape than you???? ?:D ;D ;D ;D
Hows that for a different perspective??? Ira may well be in the 99th percentile or better.


From Lynn's friend Glynn who runs the bike rides we've done.
"Remain humble.? If someone passes you going up a hill, remember that there are probably a 100 things that you can do better than they do.? If you pass someone going up a hill, remain humble; there are probably 101 things that they can do better than you."
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2010, 08:28:15 am »
yeah, I like that quote, I am the only one responsible for me.... it's 100% up to me to do better or worse. I admire those who have made the commitment to improve their performance whether it's at our level or the elite athlete. I love it when you are challenged to do more than you think you can do and overcome it. Even if it's a runner going for a 10 minute mile when the runner is giving it 100%.

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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2010, 08:57:58 am »
yeah, I like that quote, I am the only one responsible for me.... it's 100% up to me to do better or worse. I admire those who have made the commitment to improve their performance whether it's at our level or the elite athlete. I love it when you are challenged to do more than you think you can do and overcome it. Even if it's a runner going for a 10 minute mile when the runner is giving it 100%.

 I love it when you are challenged to do more than you think you can do and overcome it.
I absolutely agree. The feeling of satisfaction when I completed the Farm Ride last year was amazing. The longest training ride Lynn and I had done was 40-45 miles, and to be able to complete what wound up being 78 miles was immensely gratifying. I knew Lynn could do it, I wasn't so sure about me as a second year rider.

Probably the same for you and some of the terrain that you were dropping into last year at your Chile camp, a little bit surprised by your own accomplishments.
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Re: Ride up Mt Werner
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2010, 11:33:46 am »
hey 78 miles is awesome!  Great job!!

yeah chile was great to push the limits and still come out smiling. I definitely had a few runs where at the top I was feeling it in my stomach for sure.