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Skis and Gear Discussion => Skis 4 Me -- Suggestions or Advice?? => Topic started by: jim-ratliff on September 09, 2010, 08:06:14 am
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As Lynn mentioned in another post, she's keeping her eyes open for past years skis to replace her Every Thangs (72mm waist) with something less than 70mm.
The following are thoughts that I think describe her skiing.
1. At Harb camps she is typically assessed/selected for one of the upper groups, so she has pretty solid skills. At the same time, she is continually encouraged to ski faster and not be so deliberate in her turns.
2. A typical day at Sugarbush will include some time spent working on drills on the groomed snow, but will also include a couple of runs down CastleRock or MiddleEarth, deservedly black bump runs (with interspersed rocks and blue ice).? At some point during the day, she will be drawn magnetically into the trees as well.? Another 10% of her day will be spent in agony, trying to stretch the cramps in the arches of her feet. :'( :-* >:D
3. The Every Thang is pretty versatile and works pretty well for her, but is a little bit stiff in the trees.? The only complaint with her older iC160 was that she had gotten fast enough that the tip often chattered.
4. So she's not looking for a high speed, hard snow carver.? She's looking for a narrow waisted ski with lots of versatility that will facilitate doing drills but be solid enough for those rare times when she decides to fly.
5. Her ski lengths are typically in the mid 150's.
Solicitating suggestions.? OHHH - and deals are mandatory - She put up with those old boots forever waiting for a deal on the selected new boot.
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My suggestion for her is the Head Perfect One. More suitable, I think, than the PowerOne which is a SuperShape clone.?
Less demanding than the Power One and recommended for skill improvement, along with groomer cruising, even at fairly high speed. Is it actually "perfect?" Probably not, but it's close for the right kind of skier.
115/67/99 (12m) in a 158
clean carve: 4
smooth soft edge: 4
accurate: 4
stability: 5
rebound: 4
quickness: 4
lightness: 5
relaxing: 4
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I would get the original SS's. My wife is an advanced intermediate skier. She has solid skills and good technique and she can occasionally edge lock carve some turns. Usually there is a slight brush in each turn. On groomed terrain she is a solid skiier. I got her a pair of the SS's (pre KERS) and she absolutley loves them. Her skiing quickly went to a new level with them. I really don't think you can beat them for a hard snow carving ski that will give the proper feedback for improviing ones skills and technique. There is a pair on Ebay in a 160 for $488. Not great but as good as I have seen. My wife is 5 6" and 120 lbs. and she is skiing the 160's.
You wnat to make sure with whatever carving ski that you get that it is sandwich construction. It makes all the dfference in feel and feedback. Not all the female versions of Head skis are Sandwich.
The other ski that I now from Peters revies (jave never skied them) and often there are pretty good deal on them are the Dynastar Contact Groove. This is Dynastars version of the Head SS. It looks like an excellent ski.
I will also tell you that after going to more GS oriented TR skis the past couple of seasons, I had a real eye opener getting on the new Head SS's. The tight TR gives feedback so qiuick that is unavaialble on wider TR skis. My skiing soared from the feedback. I would definitely get a tight TR skis like the SS or the Contact Groove. I wrote about this in detail on the PMTS forum. The link is below if you care.
http://pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2859
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a Head SS is one of the last skis I would want to take down Castlerock in ANY conditions. I have some suggesting but you aren't going to like (or listen to) them :P, they don't start with an H (actually one does) or end in a D and have an "eh" in the middle. I guess my opinion isn't valid because I don't charge..soooo.to make my opinion worthy and to make you feel better, send me $20.00 and I would be glad to offer 'Phil's Picks" ;D ;D ;D
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a Head SS is one of the last skis I would want to take down Castlerock in ANY conditions. I have some suggesting but you aren't going to like (or listen to) them :P, they don't start with an H (actually one does) or end in a D and have an "eh" in the middle. I guess my opinion isn't valid because I don't charge..soooo.to make my opinion worthy and to make you feel better, send me $20.00 and I would be glad to offer 'Phil's Picks" ;D ;D ;D
How about we negotiate.? My most recent (SkiLogik) skis didn't start with an H or end with a D (and currently we both have one pair Fischer and 1 pair Head).
I'm willing to let you add $5 to my PowerRail bindings order to hear your recommendations/picks??
And I would be willing to listen if you wanted to include sound, otherwise you'll have to be content knowing that I "visually listened".
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i vote for these two last posts as hall of shame posts of all time! too funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would have some Elan and Fischer skis on the short list. Use Peter's reviews as model selection guides.
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a Head SS is one of the last skis I would want to take down Castlerock in ANY conditions. I have some suggesting but you aren't going to like (or listen to) them :P, they don't start with an H (actually one does) or end in a D and have an "eh" in the middle. I guess my opinion isn't valid because I don't charge..soooo.to make my opinion worthy and to make you feel better, send me $20.00 and I would be glad to offer 'Phil's Picks"? ;D ;D ;D
Gee, which PP are we gonna follow? (all puns intended).
Phil, YOUR bias is showing. As Jim has already said, we both own a pair of Fischers and Heads.
Oh, and you and I have the Volant Powerkarves in common past history. Good reviews. Not great skis.
I remember Diana Rogers (HH's significant other) favoring Elan skis at my first camp with them.
So, please move on from your assumption that we are closed minded. No such thing.
However, without being able to demo skis,? like many of you do (more ski days and more trips west), we rely on reviews
from reputable sources. Of which there are few. Especially for primarily EC skiers.
So, NO $20 for you. Give it up or suck it up mister!! ;D ;) ;D
PS. I did the best going down MiddleEarth on my iC160's. Soft enough and quick enough for that run!
Not done with any particular elegance or grace though. :-[
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Oh, and you and I have the Volant Powerkarves in common past history. Good reviews. Not great skis.
I remember Diana Rogers (HH's significant other) favoring Elan skis at my first camp with them.
The PowerKarve was a revolutionary ski before its time. In "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese" scenerio, The Salomon X-scream was the second mouse to the Volant's first mouse to create the then "mid fat" segment. Volant was an innovation factory besides the obvious stainless steal topskin, they were the first in the following important areas.... FIRST GS ski with a tip over 90mm, The G-max. The FIRST Consumer friendly powderski "The Chubb, the FIRST Mid-fat, teh 73mm waisted PowerKarve and the FIRST reverse camber/reverse sidecut pure powderski, the Spatula. I started with a (then) short PowerKarve in a 193, after 2-3 years or so, I ended up skiing the same model in a 173 and enjoying it the most out of any of them. My guess is you skied your PowerKarves in a 173, (again short for the time), where if you had a 153 (never produced) you would have appreciated how far ahead of it's time that ski was.
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I will add one thing about the PowerKarve. It is one of two skis my ex wife said after skiing it. (regarding her then at the time favoritest skis that I was told to stay away from), "I never want to see them again" The other was when she demoed the Kastle MX78..I will say very good company.
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Phil,
The Kastles' would be high on my dream list.
(earlier today I told Jim "get thee behind me satan" as he egged
me on to consider new skis).
I tried to demo them at Aspen this past January. The shop never called to confirm the reservation, so kaput.
Their price is a big deterrent.
I should never have posted my desire for a new ski.
Desire and pocketbook do not align at this time.
You know the routine....car repairs, college costs , yada , yada, yada.
(oh, and the new boots which I anxiously wait to appear).
Still, fun to talk about and consider.
L.
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ya' just gotta have to must at least try them, try them you will see..... ::)
seriously, they ARE that good.? seriously
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The PowerKarve was a revolutionary ski before its time. In "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese" scenerio,
;D ;D WOW, that is a really badly mangled metaphor.? Well done!!? ;D ;D
Or maybe it's an allegory, but it's still badly mangled.
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Someone here probably knows the answer to this. Is the MX 88 back unchanged or did they add early rise/slight rocker to the tip on this years ski? Thanks.
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The PowerKarve was a revolutionary ski before its time. In "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese" scenerio,
;D ;D WOW, that is a really badly mangled metaphor.? Well done!!? ;D ;D
Or maybe it's an allegory, but it's still badly mangled.
and yet it works
If you want the Kasltes, I will discount a ski that doesn't get discounted. Here is $20.00 of free advice. LX72 or LX82. [/end thread]
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Someone here probably knows the answer to this. Is the MX 88 back unchanged or did they add early rise/slight rocker to the tip on this years ski? Thanks.
Unchanged.
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If you want the Kasltes, I will discount a ski that doesn't get discounted. Here is $20.00 of free advice. LX72 or LX82. [/end thread]
Satan is chasing me in all forms this week.? >:D
Fortunately, my daughter spirited my credit card with her to Prague (by accident)
and I cancelled it. Awaiting the replacement. Temptation to pile on the debt
delayed. ;)
Damn Phil, you're a GREAT salesman.
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Phil, you want to give us some reasons why you like the LX series so much?
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Phil steps into the tee-box, carefully places the ball on the tee, steps back and looks at the fairway ahead of him, reaches down and tears off a few blades of grass and tosses them into the air. He intentfully watches as they catch the wind...... ;D
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Phil, you want to give us some reasons why you like the LX series so much?
Well, Alex, I'll take "LX Ski characteristics for $40 please".? ;D
But I also have a real comment.? Lynn's current skis are a 72 waist and she was thinking she wanted to be in the 66-68 range.
Narrower would be better for tipping and edging drills and hard snow carving, wider would be better for east coast off-piste.
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While I haven't skied the 72, here is my review of the 82. I expect no different.
http://www.epicski.com/products/2011-k-stle-lx82
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Here is Scotts (Dawgcatching) review of the LX 82. I am still looking for Phils wihich I assume is up on Epic. Phil you forgot the link in your post.
Kastle LX82 176cm: the new line from kastle: still a titanium laminate ski, but with tapered sidewalls and a bit more forgiving feel. The target customer of this ski is a little lower speed and performance, but still looking for a top-performing ski. Review: skis like an MX series, but softer, not quite as much stability, not quite as powerful. Very smooth, easy to ski at lower speeds, and stable up to reasonable 30mph or so speeds too. Very smooth; you just glide over the snow, and it is incredibly damp as well. You can open up this ski and rip on it, provided you aren?t skiing 50mph. Very responsive, just not quite as aggressive laterally. It fits into a range such as the Elan Magfire 78ti, K2 Recon, Salomon X-wing Tornado: good skis, but not the expert, top-end ski. I know a lot of people won?t allow their egos to ski a ?non top-end? ski such as this, but it is a very, very good ski, especially if you aren?t ripping up big arcs all day. Super responsive, more snap due to the lighter weight: this is going to be a winner. It was also the favorite ski tested of one of our other testers, who would describe himself as a ?terminal high-intermediate/cautious advanced skier?. He thought it had ?very good grip on the harder snow, and very smooth. Also extremely easy to ski. Best ski I tested, no surprise it was also the most expensive?. I would concur that this ski will make a lot of skiers happy.
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While I haven't skied the 72, here is my review of the 82. I expect no different.
http://www.epicski.com/products/2011-k-stle-lx82
Phil, I did find your review over on epci and that description (and Dawgcatching's) of the ski is a good fit for Lynn as a skier, I think.
Assuming, of course, that a review of an LX82 is a valid indicator of the LX72.
The RX70 may fit her desires as well.
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I have not skied them. They sound like wonderful skis but I don't think they are what I am looking for. The FX 84's were wonderful skis for what they are designed for but I could definitley overpower them on hard snow. My fear with these would be that I would enjoy them but feel like something was lacking when I pushed to their limit on groomed terrain.
The other thing that I pay alot of attention to is turn Radius. In a 50/50 or any ski where I will use it 50% or more time on groomed terrain, I am looking for ski with a tighter TR. This is one of the reasons that the Head IM 78 is such a great ski. It is stiff enough to hold up well in crud but soft enough to bend the tips and most importantly in the 177 length the TR is 15.5 (that's from memory). I am blessed with my current situation in MT where my home is on the slope. It's almsot like havimg a ski caddie. I can ski 10 different skis in one day, and sometimes do.
I still would love to try most in the Kastle line. Looking forwrad to it.
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JB, that is because we are talking about a ski for Lynn, not you. I will say this is a better ski than the FX84 for its intended purpose.
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yeah, the FX line is not intended to be a dedicated groomer ski. It doesn't have the "race" genes the MX series or the RX series have. It's much more for BC or mountaineering skiing. This was one reason why I still scratch my head at the ratings on that ski and even the new 94. I didn't ski the 94 but to say its a better ski than the 88 is kind of a misnomer. Better how? at what? I am sticking to the MX88 as my daily driver based on it's performance on and off-piste and the full spectrum of snow conditions.
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yeah, the FX line is not intended to be a dedicated groomer ski. It doesn't have the "race" genes the MX series or the RX series have. It's much more for BC or mountaineering skiing.? This was one reason why I still scratch my head at the ratings on that ski and even the new 94. I didn't ski the 94 but to say its a better ski than the 88 is kind of a misnomer.? Better how? at what? I am sticking to the MX88 as my daily driver based on it's performance on and off-piste and the full spectrum of snow conditions.
I still like the FX series even as a frontside ski but for a specific skier but the new LX's took much of that away. The LX is a ski that is greater than the sum of its parts. My son Tyler who skis faster than me, it is his favorite ski too.
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In another thread, I buried a recommendation for Lynn to look at the Kastle RX70. Major $$$, but, as Ron and I ski demo's that Phil found last year, perhaps he could come up with a short length later in the season.
http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/product-line/hardgoods/ski-overview/kaestle-rx/#/ski_lengths
I followed, let's say tried to follow, Phil down a bump run at Elk under the twin double , while he was on this ski. He turned them like an olympic bump pro. I also demo'd it that day on the hard Elk snow and just loved it in my typical short radius turns. 70 waist, but, it turns sharper. When I give up the Supershape, this is the ski I want to be on. Greg Merz has a pair but didn't get to ski them much following an injury. Not sure if a woman specific ski is available.
Phill on a Supershape???? I'm still laughing. If he had a choice of skiing a Supershape as his daily driver or moving to moving to Miami, then his recreational bucks would be spent on suntan lotion and Spanish as a second language class. As well as he skied the RX 70, he just shook his head and said not for me. I also have a Blizzard SL that he practically gave away.
But, I'd take my SS's down Tunkahannuk, which is left to bump up, at Elk any day. What I won't do is take my body down major league screwed up bump runs like Bear Mountain at Killington.
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I'm pretty sure that the MX series is made for me. The question would be the 88 vs the 78. I would love to try them both. I agree onthe FX. Wonderful backcountry ski but not really in the running vs more powerful skis for resort skiing.
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In another thread, I buried a recommendation for Lynn to look at the Kastle RX70. Major $$$, but, as Ron and I ski demo's that Phil found last year, perhaps he could come up with a short length later in the season.
http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/product-line/hardgoods/ski-overview/kaestle-rx/#/ski_lengths
I followed, let's say tried to follow, Phil down a bump run at Elk under the twin double , while he was on this ski. He turned them like an olympic bump pro. I also demo'd it that day on the hard Elk snow and just loved it in my typical short radius turns. 70 waist, but, it turns sharper. When I give up the Supershape, this is the ski I want to be on. Greg Merz has a pair but didn't get to ski them much following an injury. Not sure if a woman specific ski is available.
Phill on a Supershape???? I'm still laughing. If he had a choice of skiing a Supershape as his daily driver or moving to moving to Miami, then his recreational bucks would be spent on suntan lotion and Spanish as a second language class. As well as he skied the RX 70, he just shook his head and said not for me. I also have a Blizzard SL that he practically gave away.
But, I'd take my SS's down Tunkahannuk, which is left to bump up, at Elk any day. What I won't do is take my body down major league screwed up bump runs like Bear Mountain at Killington.
Mike,
Not an RX70 fo, but an MX70! That would be a great choice. I think I know of a pair demos of in a 160 w/KT12 (not KTi) flat mount bindings. I know the 160 is a tad longer 1.9" or so than the 155 but it will be a very good price.
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saweeetttt! this would be ideal, the under 2" is nothing.
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John, the mx78 with a kti plate is perfect for you. you will find it to have a wider performance envelope than the head. one run is all it will take
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Yeah looking forward to skiing them. Definitely want to try the MX88 as well. Sounds like a great ski also.
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In another thread, I buried a recommendation for Lynn to look at the Kastle RX70. Major $$$, but, as Ron and I ski demo's that Phil found last year, perhaps he could come up with a short length later in the season.
http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/product-line/hardgoods/ski-overview/kaestle-rx/#/ski_lengths
I followed, let's say tried to follow, Phil down a bump run at Elk under the twin double , while he was on this ski. He turned them like an olympic bump pro. I also demo'd it that day on the hard Elk snow and just loved it in my typical short radius turns. 70 waist, but, it turns sharper. When I give up the Supershape, this is the ski I want to be on. Greg Merz has a pair but didn't get to ski them much following an injury. Not sure if a woman specific ski is available.
Phill on a Supershape???? I'm still laughing. If he had a choice of skiing a Supershape as his daily driver or moving to moving to Miami, then his recreational bucks would be spent on suntan lotion and Spanish as a second language class. As well as he skied the RX 70, he just shook his head and said not for me. I also have a Blizzard SL that he practically gave away.
But, I'd take my SS's down Tunkahannuk, which is left to bump up, at Elk any day. What I won't do is take my body down major league screwed up bump runs like Bear Mountain at Killington.
Mike,
Not an RX70 fo, but an MX70! That would be a great choice. I think I know of a pair demos of in a 160 w/KT12 (not KTi) flat mount bindings. I know the 160 is a tad longer 1.9" or so than the 155 but it will be a very good price.
Phil,
I did not realize Kastle did both a RX and MX 70. For some reason, I thought we skied the RX70 at Elk in a 170???
Your job in life is to keep me straight with respect to skis. ;D ;D
Do you believe a 160 would be good for Lynn?
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Phil,
I did not realize Kastle did both a RX and MX 70. For some reason, I thought we skied the RX70 at Elk in a 170???
Your job in life is to keep me straight with respect to skis. ;D ;D
Do you believe a 160 would be good for Lynn?
I think:
Last years RX is this years RX12, more of a master race GS ski.
LX72 sounds like a very good match for Lynn (width being a minor concern).
MX70 also sounds like a good general ski, with shorter turn radius?
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JB, that is because we are talking about a ski for Lynn, not you. I will say this is a better ski than the FX84 for its intended purpose.
Well said, Phil.? Lynn was getting jealous at people trying to hijack her thread.? ?;D :D
That will teach her to go into the wilderness with no Internet.
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yeah, the FX line is not intended to be a dedicated groomer ski. It doesn't have the "race" genes the MX series or the RX series have. It's much more for BC or mountaineering skiing.? This was one reason why I still scratch my head at the ratings on that ski and even the new 94. I didn't ski the 94 but to say its a better ski than the 88 is kind of a misnomer.? Better how? at what? I am sticking to the MX88 as my daily driver based on it's performance on and off-piste and the full spectrum of snow conditions.
I still like the FX series even as a frontside ski but for a specific skier but the new LX's took much of that away. The LX is a ski that is greater than the sum of its parts. My son Tyler who skis faster than me, it is his favorite ski too.
JB, that is because we are talking about a ski for Lynn, not you. I will say this is a better ski than the FX84 for its intended purpose.
FWIW, My FX84 quickly became my go to ski last year and I suspect that it will continue to bring me big grins this coming season. The reference to it being strictly back country may be subjective depending on the skier weight, style and skill. Although, I tend to find myself looking for off-piste more than groomers.
I'm built quite the same as Lynn and would be a good comparison for her when looking for a new ski.
I haven't skied the FX74, wonder how that would work for Lynn, perhaps Phil has an idea about that...... but otherwise the LX72 would be my first thought at the beginning of this thread.......but... ......I do have slightly used MX78's that probably won't get much use in my quiver this season.
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So Lynn, if you were to pick three skis you want to demo this year what would they be?
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So Lynn, if you were to pick three skis you want to demo this year what would they be?
Well, that was the primary purpose of this thread, to get others recommendations of what I should demo. My thoughts thus far, in order..
1. Kastle LX72.? Minor concern is the waist width since I really wanted somethingless than 70.? However, the rest of Phil's description of the LX82 was spot on!! The turn radius for shorter models should be down in the 12-13 range that I would like to have.
2. Kastle RX70. slightly narrower waist, but may give up some of the trees and bumps versatility of the LX72.
3. Head SuperShape.? I think this is too much ski for me, but given that both JBotti and todd recommended it, I will give it a try if the opportunity presents itself.? Maybe a SS Magnum or Icon TT80 as a similar option.
4. Head Perfect One.? But I think JBotti had an excellent point about laminates and, after checking, this is not a laminate.
All of the above paraphrased by? JIM R. for? Lynn.
The other ski that would be great is the Hart Phi-nomonal a 66 waisted ski that is close to the Kastle in quality.
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Yeah, I should have mentioned the TT 80's. Wonderful skis. Release out of edge lock carves better than the Head SS's. Tremendously versatile for a 13m (in the 170) TR ski. I use them as my bump ski. Similar power to the original SS's but slightly more GS feel. Great skis.
I feel pretty confident that the original (pre KERS) SS's are not too much ski for you Lynn (using my wife as an example). TT80's wpould be great as well.
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So Lynn, if you were to pick three skis you want to demo this year what would they be?
Well, that was the primary purpose of this thread, to get others recommendations of what I should demo. My thoughts thus far, in order..
1. Kastle LX72.? Minor concern is the waist width since I really wanted somethingless than 70.? However, the rest of Phil's description of the LX82 was spot on!! The turn radius for shorter models should be down in the 12-13 range that I would like to have.
2. Kastle MX70. slightly narrower waist, but may give up some of the trees and bumps versatility of the LX72.
3. Head SuperShape.? I think this is too much ski for me, but given that both JBotti and todd recommended it, I will give it a try if the opportunity presents itself.? Maybe a SS Magnum or Icon TT80 as a similar option.
4. Head Perfect One.? But I think JBotti had an excellent point about laminates and, after checking, this is not a laminate.
All of the above paraphrased by? JIM R. for? Lynn.
Fixed.
The other ski that would be great is the Hart Phi-nomonal a 66 waisted ski that is close to the Kastle in quality.
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So Lynn, if you were to pick three skis you want to demo this year what would they be?
Well, that was the primary purpose of this thread, to get others recommendations of what I should demo. My thoughts thus far, in order..
1. Kastle LX72.? Minor concern is the waist width since I really wanted somethingless than 70.? However, the rest of Phil's description of the LX82 was spot on!! The turn radius for shorter models should be down in the 12-13 range that I would like to have.
2. Kastle MX70. slightly narrower waist, but may give up some of the trees and bumps versatility of the LX72.
3. Head SuperShape.? I think this is too much ski for me, but given that both JBotti and todd recommended it, I will give it a try if the opportunity presents itself.? Maybe a SS Magnum or Icon TT80 as a similar option.
4. Head Perfect One.? But I think JBotti had an excellent point about laminates and, after checking, this is not a laminate.
All of the above paraphrased by? JIM R. for? Lynn.
Fixed.
The other ski that would be great is the Hart Phi-nomonal a 66 waisted ski that is close to the Kastle in quality.
I forgot about that, Its a great ski. Mosdef a good one to try out.
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The other ski that would be great is the Hart Phi-nomonal a 66 waisted ski that is close to the Kastle in quality.
Phil:
Do you believe that the Phinomonal has bump and tree versatility comparable with the frontrunning LX72?
Thanks
Jim
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The other ski that would be great is the Hart Phi-nomonal a 66 waisted ski that is close to the Kastle in quality.
Phil:
Do you believe that the Phinomonal has bump and tree versatility comparable with the frontrunning LX72?
Thanks
Jim
The more things you ask a ski to do, the less it does well. The Phi will be better ski for the "drills" the LX72 better for the bumps and trees.
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"drills" are not a good thing for trees....... ;D
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The more things you ask a ski to do, the less it does well. The Phi will be better ski for the "drills" the LX72 better for the bumps and trees.
And where would you slot the MX70 in this continuum. And, also, the drills are something her mind tells here she should work on, the bumps and trees are where her heart truly calls her.
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"drills" are not a good thing for trees.......? ?;D
No, it leaves great big holes in 'em :o
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The more things you ask a ski to do, the less it does well. The Phi will be better ski for the "drills" the LX72 better for the bumps and trees.
And, also, the drills are something her mind tells here she should work on, the bumps and trees are where her heart truly calls her.
Jim and Lynn,
Simply stated, I ski PMTS in bumps, trees and drills. Harald teaches a "brushed carve" turn as a preliminary to full locked-edge carve, and, I practice these all the time on green and blue trails. Yes, it's a skidded turn but your skis just come around so quick. His second book title includes "How to ski bumps and powder" but the detailed sections are at the end of the book long after the basics are covered. It's still about tipping movements, having great fore/aft balance and using hand positions and pole planting techniques. Bumps and trees require the skier to BELIEVE that certain body movements will turn the ski. Just one small voice saying it's the skier not the ski.
But, as the OP does say EAST COAST SKI, the small voice votes for a 70 ish waist ski.
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Living Proof:? (by the way, what is the origin of that login name??)
I disagree that a brushed carve is a skid. Peter's definitions for the evaluation of a skis ability to "soft edge" are below.? The smear is the brushed carve, its a lateral movement/sliding of the entire ski whereas to me a skid is primarily a lateral displacement of the tail.
Smear:
Ski tip and tail follow on the same track, but using a lower edge angle which allows some lateral movement across the snow. Effective in deep snow, on steep slopes, in bumps or crud. Facilitates speed management (control) as opposed to maximizing speed, which is what carving does.
Skid:
Out of control turn in which the tails accelerate down the hill faster than the tips and do not follow in the same track. Often results in a fall and usually begins with a wedge turn entry, in which the skis are not parallel. The skier leans back and/or uphill, with most weight on the tails of the uphill ski rather than beneath the arch of the downhill foot. The downhill ski takes off, tail first. One of the leading causes of ACL injury, according to experts.
So why does that small voice say 70'ish rather than 66-68'ish.? Just playing devil's advocate here; her current skis for these conditions are 72's and were recommended and sold by Harald and Diana at a camp back in '07 or '08.
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Here's an idea......
Lynn, take your new boots to a phenomenal demo day and try some stuff out.
Use the info here to create a demo list and have some fun!!
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I like Snowhots idea. I have wanted to do that myself for some time but have never gotten around to it. It hasn't stopped me from owning some great skis and from buying a few that I wish that I hadn't. It is probably a lot harder for you Lynn living on the east coast, but if you could find one where a bunch of major brands would be featured, it would be a great.
If that fails and you make it out to Big Sky again, you can ski my wifes supershapes!!
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Here's an idea......
Lynn, take your new boots to a phenomenal demo day and try some stuff out.
Use the info here to create a demo list and have some fun!!
I like Snowhots idea. I have wanted to do that myself for some time but have never gotten around to it. It hasn't stopped me from owning some great skis and from buying a few that I wish that I hadn't. It is probably a lot harder for you Lynn living on the east coast, but if you could find one where a bunch of major brands would be featured, it would be a great.
If that fails and you make it out to Big Sky again, you can ski my wifes supershapes!!
Okay Folks
Keep your ears open for East Coast Demo Days for me!
Excellent advice. I am in no rush to buy new skis. My current Every Thangs were acquired midway thru winter 2008.
Binding issues resulted in Head sending me a new pair for the 2009 season. So overall, these skis are not particularly old, use wise.
I have time to leisurely peruse the selection! ;D
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Here's an idea......
Lynn, take your new boots to a phenomenal demo day and try some stuff out.
Use the info here to create a demo list and have some fun!!
I like Snowhots idea.? I have wanted to do that myself for some time but have never gotten around to it. It hasn't stopped me from owning some great skis and from buying a few that I wish that I hadn't. It is probably a lot harder for you Lynn living on the east coast, but if you could find one where a bunch of major brands would be featured, it would be a great.
If that fails and you make it out to Big Sky again, you can ski my wifes supershapes!!
Okay Folks
Keep your ears open for East Coast Demo Days for me!
Excellent advice. I am in no rush to buy new skis. My current Every Thangs were acquired midway thru winter 2008.
Binding issues resulted in Head sending me a new pair for the 2009 season. So overall, these skis are not particularly old, use wise.
I have time to leisurely peruse the selection!? ;D
There is usually a demo day at Huntah in mid Dec and one at Elk early Jan IIRC.
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Living Proof:? (by the way, what is the origin of that login name??)
I disagree that a brushed carve is a skid. Peter's definitions for the evaluation of a skis ability to "soft edge" are below.? The smear is the brushed carve, its a lateral movement/sliding of the entire ski whereas to me a skid is primarily a lateral displacement of the tail.
Smear:
Ski tip and tail follow on the same track, but using a lower edge angle which allows some lateral movement across the snow. Effective in deep snow, on steep slopes, in bumps or crud. Facilitates speed management (control) as opposed to maximizing speed, which is what carving does.
Skid:
Out of control turn in which the tails accelerate down the hill faster than the tips and do not follow in the same track. Often results in a fall and usually begins with a wedge turn entry, in which the skis are not parallel. The skier leans back and/or uphill, with most weight on the tails of the uphill ski rather than beneath the arch of the downhill foot. The downhill ski takes off, tail first. One of the leading causes of ACL injury, according to experts.
So why does that small voice say 70'ish rather than 66-68'ish.? Just playing devil's advocate here; her current skis for these conditions are 72's and were recommended and sold by Harald and Diana at a camp back in '07 or '08.
If I told you the truth behind Living Proof as a log-in, I'd have to kill you! ::) Just kidding! When I first posted on Epic, I had some non-descriptive name that had no meaning. In those days, I visited the Epic instructional forums frequently. PMTS and Harald kept getting bashed by the world, with the exception of a few of his defenders. One day, one of the real genius posters exclaimed that "no-one can learn to ski from a book". I was astounded by this as my skiing had improved so much by reading Expert Skier 2. So the light bulb came on and I changed my Epic handle to Living Proof, with the signature as "Living Proof of the Power of PMTS". A much more meaningful, private reason never revealed before, is that it honors my father as I'm LP of his life.
Epic threads would go on forever debating skid vs. brush. I can use either term, but both are not edge lock which is my goal. I have no desire to debate the fine points, but, I concur with your thinking. Sometimes it's just easier to use skid and not have to explain the brush concepts to those unfamiliar with the term used by HH.
Actually, 70 ish to me includes getting into the 66-68 realm. I agree with JB's point about the traditional Supershape being an excellent east coast ski for Lynn.
4 mm or so is abut 1/6 of an inch. Big Deal ;D This year's Elk Demo day works for me! Lynn can replace Phil!
I've concluded that I know very little about women, and even less about their skis. Time to be quiet!
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Mike, if possible I now have even more respect for you! Love that hidden gem Cheers (imagine a 2 beer cheer imodicon here)
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I've concluded that I know very little about women, and even less about their skis.
What movie has the above line, followed by a response of but they certainly understand us.??? ?;D? I expect Phil to get this since he seems to have a vast repertoire of movie knowledge in cranial long term storage.
And thanks for the response. Both answers are touching albeit in different ways.
I'm up for an Elk demo day, by the way.?
We were talking about meeting at Elk some weekend anyway, why not on a demo day?
And I will say that I too learned tremendously from Expert Skier I.? Not only what the PMTS approach was, but a lot of how that contrasted/contradicted what others had been telling me to do but could never explain.? I think the analysis of skiing in that book matched well with the way I learn (and over analyze).
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I've concluded that I know very little about women, and even less about their skis.
I'm up for an Elk demo day, by the way.?
We were talking about meeting at Elk some weekend anyway, why not on a demo day?
Jim/Lynn et al,
Elk's demo day is very early in January and is on a Friday. In 2011, my guess is that it will be 1/7. That date is on my calendar as it's a good sample of major skis. Head, Fisher, Dynastar, Rossi, K2 are always there. Phil convinced his Kastle bud to attend last year, maybe he can work the same magic even though Phil no longer has a business (read $$$ incentive through sales) relationship with east coast rep.
$20 tickets can be pre-purchased.
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Not on a weekend?? That sounds even better.? Was it pretty crowded or better than a normal weekend crowd?
I'll put it in my calendar and see what Lynn thinks.? Currrently she always has Clinic on Fridays, don't know how that may affect getting Friday off.
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I would add: skid is widely used by many meaing to drift, slarve, schmear (Phili/ny) but its really just an out of control movement. edgeing is simply and only a matter of the degree of the ski's edges on the snow. being able to modify the amount of edgin used is a skill and if you can only ski on edge, that is a skill you are lacking as you have limited your ability to regualte speed and turn shape.
Living Proof:? (by the way, what is the origin of that login name??)
I disagree that a brushed carve is a skid. Peter's definitions for the evaluation of a skis ability to "soft edge" are below.? The smear is the brushed carve, its a lateral movement/sliding of the entire ski whereas to me a skid is primarily a lateral displacement of the tail.
Smear: drift slarve/]
Ski tip and tail follow on the same track, but using a lower edge angle which allows some lateral movement across the snow. Effective in deep snow, on steep slopes, in bumps or crud. Facilitates speed management (control) as opposed to maximizing speed, which is what carving does.
Skid:
Out of control turn in which the tails accelerate down the hill faster than the tips and do not follow in the same track. Often results in a fall and usually begins with a wedge turn entry, in which the skis are not parallel. The skier leans back and/or uphill, with most weight on the tails of the uphill ski rather than beneath the arch of the downhill foot. The downhill ski takes off, tail first. One of the leading causes of ACL injury, according to experts.
So why does that small voice say 70'ish rather than 66-68'ish.? Just playing devil's advocate here; her current skis for these conditions are 72's and were recommended and sold by Harald and Diana at a camp back in '07 or '08.
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Did we ever get the answer to the movie line question? Jim?
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Did we ever get the answer to the movie line question? Jim?
A Knight's Tale (Heath Ledger) when he's losing every joust to "prove his love" to the "fair Lady Jocelyn".? One of the pages says "I don't understand women" and the Chaucer character responds "yes, but they certainly understand us."
And, halfway through the tournament, she changes her mind (I know, a BIT stereotyped, but women ARE allowed, right??) and decides that if he really wanted to prove his love to her then he would not lose another joust and win the tournament!!
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Yes, now I remember.